23:43:01 hello, is anyone here interested in privacy-preserving peer-to-peer routing? (i.e. TOR but faster) 23:43:46 Zyansheep[m]: Are you talking about Lokinet? 23:44:35 huh, i've heard of lokinet, but i'm not sure how it works. is it any different to tor or i2p in terms of efficiency? 23:46:02 It's faster but it works similar to how a VPN works. Meaning that your ip gets linked with anything you have running, not just the browser you decide to use. It also has subpar UX and if you are a complete noob, you won't have any privacy 23:46:46 Because you won't know to put exit.loki ad the exit node 23:47:58 on their faq I found they use something called llarp for the onion routing? 23:48:52 also it is closed source 23:48:59 I think 23:49:35 yeah, lokinet has like zero links on their website 23:49:38 together with a "staking" process for node operators 23:50:21 "hello, is anyone here interested..." <- Zeronet? 23:50:39 Palladionhehim[m: zeronet is over Tor 23:51:00 ZombieMaster[m]1: It's closed? 23:51:17 Palladionhehim[m: think so 23:51:27 ZombieMaster[m]1: Your network is so secure when you need to pay to be a router /s 23:51:51 Lokinet def isn't the best, and they can even control your site if you are on testnet 23:51:55 That's from the devs themselves 23:52:12 I get it's testnet but still 23:52:53 I mean you could just run your own test net, it is for testing anyways 😂 23:53:09 Fair, it's just weird they took down stuff they didn't like 23:53:11 lokinet seems to be taking the "just make it a cryptocurrency" approach to funding... 23:53:25 Zyansheep[m]: Not everything needs to be a blockchain 23:53:27 Palladionhehim[m: Example? I'm curious what they took down. 23:53:31 I hate the ideology of it 23:53:40 "secure your traffic with gov overlords" 23:53:43 Elijah[m]: 8chan, I don't like the site at all but yeah 23:53:56 Palladionhehim[m: From the test net or mainnet? 23:54:09 Elijah[m]: Testnet as they were trying to get it running 23:54:10 Why would 8chan be run on a test net? 23:54:16 I got 0 clue 23:54:16 Palladionhehim[m: Ohhh 23:54:26 I just asked about it, probably testing 23:54:32 But they left lokinet soon after 23:54:45 And the devs are super pissy about it when I asked them about what happened 23:54:52 s/are/were/ 23:54:58 Well I do think they did the anonymous messenger Session right. 23:55:06 Yes 23:55:11 It runs over lokinet 23:55:19 Acting as their router for messages 23:55:31 Using swarm 23:56:22 anyway, I have an idea for an improved routing protocol to replace TOR 23:56:37 and it goes like this: 23:56:48 Same here, 23:56:48 Basically we take plastic cups and string 23:57:09 instead of having a list of routers that users pick and choose from to route their packets through onion routing 23:57:47 the network sets itself up in a distributed fashion, so that existing nodes are connected to around ~300 of their nearest (latency-wise) nodes 23:58:18 using a protocol to continually querying and pining existing nodes to find closer and closer nodes 23:58:38 and once you have this network of nodes connected to close other nodes 23:58:44 Zyansheep[m]: isnt that why i2p is doing? 23:58:48 I would imagine that would be rough on the network to query so many people 23:58:53 each node can calculate a coordinate representing its place spacially in the network 23:58:54 of freenet? don't remember 23:59:04 ZombieMaster[m]1: No, you select nodes to make a tunnel 23:59:04 Freenet is doing it 23:59:28 s/of/or/ 23:59:31 and then using these spacial coordinates, instead of choosing nodes randomly around the world, you can choose intermediate nodes to be on the way to your destination