12:06:43 <hhanh00[m]> is there a dev forum (vbulletin style)?
12:06:57 <hhanh00[m]> found this: https://forum.getmonero.org/ but it looks broken
12:08:45 <moneromooo> It's discontinued. The above should be read only.
12:09:15 <hhanh00[m]> any replacement?
12:09:22 <moneromooo> Here.
12:09:37 <moneromooo> Well, not a replacement.
12:09:42 <moneromooo> Oh, github I guess.
12:09:53 <hhanh00[m]> but this is a chat ... it's not threaded by discussion
12:11:04 <hhanh00[m]> moneromooo: ok
12:14:00 <hhanh00[m]> in zcash, they have a "lightclient" protocol where nodes serve trimmed blocks to clients. The clients perform trial decryption and build their transaction locally. It has the advantage of not sending the view key out. Does Monero have a similar system?
12:49:17 <moneromooo> Maybe. Can you rephrase ? It's not clear what it does from that description.
12:49:52 <moneromooo> I'd understand if it weren't for "build their transaction locally".
13:23:55 <UkoeHB> hhanh00[m]: that would be remote nodes
15:30:17 <hhanh00[m]> <moneromooo> "I'd understand if it weren't for..." <- maybe something specific for zcash but besides the signature, the transaction contains a zk-proof which requires keeping & updating a bunch of merkle tree witnesses
15:31:15 <hhanh00[m]> of course, the full node does that but it's not trivial for light clients
15:32:03 <hhanh00[m]> the trimmed blocks have to contain that data too
15:33:38 <hhanh00[m]> <UkoeHB> "hhanh00: that would be remote..." <- don't they receive my view key when i ask for a wallet scan?
15:33:54 <xxfedexx[m]> hhanh00[m]: No they don't
15:34:37 <xxfedexx[m]> There are three tipes of wallets:
15:34:37 <xxfedexx[m]> - Light wallets
15:34:37 <xxfedexx[m]> - Wallets without node
15:34:37 <xxfedexx[m]> - Full wallets
15:35:03 <xxfedexx[m]> Light wallets send your view key to remote server, so you do not need to download any part of blockchain
15:35:14 <xxfedexx[m]> Wallets without node download part of the blockchain
15:35:31 <xxfedexx[m]> Full wallets run a full node and download all the blockchain
15:35:56 <hhanh00[m]> xxfedexx[m]: what part of the blockchain do they download?
15:36:26 <xxfedexx[m]> hhanh00[m]: The blocks newer than your wallet restore height
15:37:03 <hhanh00[m]> they need the birth height of the wallet, right?
15:38:20 <hhanh00[m]> and if the wallet is old, that means downloading lots of blocks
15:38:36 <UkoeHB> iirc when using a remote node it just sends all the txos to your wallet, which you scan locally
15:39:16 <hhanh00[m]> it would need to know your view key to do the trial decryption
15:39:27 <hhanh00[m]> right?
15:39:38 <UkoeHB> the remote node sends ALL the txos to your wallet
15:39:50 <UkoeHB> no trial decryption
15:39:57 <hhanh00[m]> well - that's nearly all the blockchain data 
15:40:07 <UkoeHB> not even close, proofs are way bigger
15:40:46 <hhanh00[m]> you can decrypt your txo without the proof?
15:41:17 <UkoeHB> yes, it's just a DH exchange with a key attached to the txo
15:41:34 <hhanh00[m]> ok - i think this is what i am after
15:41:56 <hhanh00[m]> thanks
16:32:55 <moneromooo> "Wallet without node" and "full wallet" are kinda right if you squint hard, but they're really the same thing, they use a node which could be local or remote (and usually run by an adversary).
16:33:24 <moneromooo> The wallet will download only pruned txes from the node. It's something like a third or a quarter the size, so still significant.
21:29:12 <selsta> .merges
21:29:12 -xmr-pr- 7819 8207 8211 8232 8239 8240 8241
21:32:31 <selsta> luigi1112: ^^