00:58:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> When running monerod with
00:58:13 <ofrnxmr[m]>  'disable-dns-checkpoints=1'
00:58:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im still pinging moneropulse 
00:58:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://paste.debian.net/plainh/dcc9f71a
00:58:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Seth For Privacy: selsta: 
00:59:05 <selsta> ofrnxmr[m]: did you disable checking for updates?
01:10:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wasnt using the update flag at all. Added check-updates=disabled to my config
02:47:35 <TrasherDK[m]> 1128198 -> 1128239 [Your node is 41 blocks (41.0 minutes) behind] Eh, 41 blocks 41 minutes?
09:37:58 <ooo123ooo1234567> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I once had an employer tell me to treat my job like my kids.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/452ab64db3b92e513498a6a780bd44d9df0a51be)
09:38:16 <ooo123ooo1234567> I didn't ask everyone and anyone concretely, then sech1 attacked it and I've replied
09:39:25 <sech1> what?
09:40:11 <sech1> ah, so you wrote that you have some "request" and didn't mention that you already solved it until much later. A clear attempt to steal developers' time.
09:40:43 <ooo123ooo1234567> <jberman[m]> "Discussing unsolved technical..." <- I disagree that it makes sense to discuss only unsolved technical problems. 
09:47:27 <ooo123ooo1234567> <sech1> "ah, so you wrote that you have..." <- asking me to verify relation of some bug to my code - not a try to steal developers time, asking incompetent developers to look into the same problem - a try to steal developers time; facepalm
09:47:46 <ooo123ooo1234567> not clear yet who has "Prima Dona Syndrome"
09:48:44 <sech1> If you mentioned that you solved it already, there would be no problem at all with that request
09:49:00 <sech1> But you choose not to 
09:49:36 <sech1> To attract more attention of developers who would otherwise choose to skip it knowing it's solved
09:50:23 <ooo123ooo1234567> sech1, call concrete names of developers that you referring to ?
09:50:48 <ooo123ooo1234567> `/ignore sech1`
09:52:33 <ooo123ooo1234567> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I once had an employer tell me to treat my job like my kids.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/72370ce4d228c2aab5d7c689936a9ba83e4798ef)
09:58:31 <ooo123ooo1234567> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I once had an employer tell me to treat my job like my kids.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/5837df2ddc31108f068dafa868db94098d8eaa71)
09:58:39 <ooo123ooo1234567> multisig is more important currently
09:59:31 <ooo123ooo1234567> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I once had an employer tell me to treat my job like my kids.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/e2756afd70f97e05378a3ee59dc316f2b342788f)
10:00:55 <ooo123ooo1234567> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I once had an employer tell me to treat my job like my kids.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/76a923217727a741fc7bc2079aed9c2d3a90d701)
10:02:47 <ooo123ooo1234567> <luigi1112> "no" <- https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/commit/a3b624c1110a0bb6c946e1da24657b7a47a85bc0, are you sure that no ?
10:07:02 <ooo123ooo1234567> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I once had an employer tell me to treat my job like my kids.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/5d9e10639dd2531b3489d44ac9fed912a6a1ce02)
10:26:53 <ooo123ooo1234567> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I once had an employer tell me to treat my job like my kids.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/754b44f7ad2f60256d9d995875507fda961fb8dc)
10:37:22 <MajesticBank> why spam
10:38:43 <ooo123ooo1234567> <sech1> "If you mentioned that you solved..." <- complexity of math problem doesn't change with number of humans with existing solutions somewhere in the universe
10:40:15 <sech1> don't try to change topic, you didn't provide crucial information about you having a solution, so other developers couldn't make a fully informed decision if they should look at the problem or not
10:40:28 <sech1> therefore waste of developers' time
10:42:15 <ooo123ooo1234567> the topic is ... ?
10:44:41 <ooo123ooo1234567> sech1: competent developers would go investigate that problem independently on anything since it's quite rare bug and certainly not expected
10:45:00 <ooo123ooo1234567> but incompetent developers complain here about unavailability of crucial information that someone has a solution; facepalm
10:46:00 <sech1> competent developers already have things to do
10:46:06 <sech1> and you were distracting them
10:46:22 <sech1> if you just wrote that "the problem is in that line of code, here's the patch"
10:46:25 <ooo123ooo1234567> omg, call at least of those competent developers and what they are doing now ?
10:46:29 <ooo123ooo1234567> * at least one of those
10:46:36 <sech1> they would read through it and move on, same end result and a lot of time saved
10:47:20 <ooo123ooo1234567> The point is investigation of the bug is more important that final patch, since 1st requires learning the code, 2nd just blind confirmation in the worst case
10:48:12 <sech1> Learning the code? Did I miss something, who appointed you the teacher of Monero developers?
10:48:55 <sech1> Did you submit the patch for the deadlock btw?
10:49:01 <ooo123ooo1234567> sech1, what forced you to unignore me ?
10:49:08 <sech1> the dev meeting
10:49:10 <ooo123ooo1234567> just interesting
10:49:16 <sech1> but I'll hapily /ignore you again soon
10:55:31 <ooo123ooo1234567> <sech1> "Learning the code? Did I miss..." <- reading/learning in order to understand the source of bug, it's just basic things during development
10:57:25 <ooo123ooo1234567> <sech1> "Did you submit the patch for the..." <- (it's verifiable via github, no need to ask here)
10:57:46 <ooo123ooo1234567> <sech1> "and you were distracting them" <- Why you don't care so much about others distracting me from what I did ?
11:00:49 <ooo123ooo1234567> <sech1> "Learning the code? Did I miss..." <- btw, about teaching, it was very successful with UkoeHB so that he managed to resubmit one of my PRs
11:02:00 <ooo123ooo1234567> If there would be no more underlying issues in multisig, then it would be quite good case, but unfortunately there are issues and UkoeHB is ignoring them now
11:05:46 <ooo123ooo1234567> core team ignoring issues in CCS
11:06:03 <ooo123ooo1234567> and others are participating in crowd voting without critical thinking
11:06:47 <ooo123ooo1234567> It's almost 2 months since 7th May
11:07:26 <ooo123ooo1234567> of wasting time in public talks with people that don't want to admit problems or agree on further changes
11:14:18 <ooo123ooo1234567> <kayabanerve[m]> "From maintainers, to the..." <- https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20210804#c12216, "17:01 UkoeHB Tbh I also don't have a great understanding, but since the papers say we should use commit-and-reveal, then better to do that." regarding the acknowledged cryptographer of the project
11:14:58 <mrr|LibertyPool[> https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2022-2185. A critical issue has been discovered in GitLab affecting all versions starting from 14.0 prior to 14.10.5, 15.0 prior to 15.0.4, and 15.1 prior to 15.1.1 where it was possible for an unauthorised user to execute arbitrary code on the server using the project import feature.
11:15:31 <mrr|LibertyPool[> mrr|LibertyPool[: I guess Monero gitlab is affected by this 
11:18:41 <plowsof> gitlab hacker one 'critical bounty' $20,000 - $35,000 
11:20:49 <moneromooo> mrr|LibertyPool[: thanks, updating to ~15.1.1 now.
11:35:38 <ooo123ooo1234567> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I once had an employer tell me to treat my job like my kids.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/5215f661df274e4181b81358fbd150a7c0fb302f)
11:37:26 <ooo123ooo1234567> <selsta> "we don't assume safety based..." <- hahahahahaha
11:38:19 <ooo123ooo1234567> <kayabanerve[m]> "It explicitly sounds like this..." <- indeed, instant voting in dev meeting is kind of a much lengthier conversation
11:39:03 <ooo123ooo1234567> <kayabanerve[m]> "It can't hurt. We can review its..." <- hahahahaha
11:40:09 <kayabanerve[m]> The thing I love most about these necrobumps is how they completely lose all fucking context on the conversation.
11:40:09 <ooo123ooo1234567> <kayabanerve[m]> "I've reviewed worthless audits..." <- facepalm
11:41:01 <ooo123ooo1234567> kayabanerve, it's just another example how you forget your own words within so short period of time
11:41:01 <kayabanerve[m]> I said RINO made the decision to hire a specific company for the audit. We were not able to decide what company was doing the audit. In order to that, we'd have to decide to fund our own audit, which was a plan yet one delayed when RINO made their announcement.
11:41:26 <ooo123ooo1234567> I have no idea why you're even trying to pretend that you're acting without any bias
11:41:26 <kayabanerve[m]> I didn't forgot anything.
11:41:27 <kayabanerve[m]> The audit from Inference AG wasn't worthless IMO.
11:41:43 <kayabanerve[m]> I have more positive opinions of it than not.
11:42:09 <kayabanerve[m]> Also, yes, when we have these have multiple discussions around both multisig and the audit, yes, there's a lengthier discussion.
11:42:18 <ooo123ooo1234567> (kayabanerve, it looks like everyone is doing the same here except me, so you're not very outstanding relatively to others in the crowd)
11:42:41 <kayabanerve[m]> Every human has an opinion and therefore has bias. That's life. I've never intentionally lied or misrepresented multisig, nor any aspect of its discussion, though
11:43:21 <kayabanerve[m]> man who says everyone is wrong fails to realize that they may be the person that's wrong
11:43:48 <kayabanerve[m]> I don't even think people here are wrong ffs. I just think it's ridiculous for you say to everyone is acting with bias, except you.
11:44:18 <ooo123ooo1234567> kayabanerve, do you have financial interest in monero ?
11:44:20 <kayabanerve[m]> You've shown yours before. I'm going to follow mooo and drop out here though. Have fun shouting to the void
11:45:12 <ooo123ooo1234567> I've asked explicitly about "let's set topic and discuss goals", but everyone is ignoring obvious issues
11:45:18 <ooo123ooo1234567> it would also help to go in circles
11:45:24 <ooo123ooo1234567> * help to not go in
11:47:51 <ooo123ooo1234567> <kayabanerve[m]> "I said RINO made the decision to..." <- "It explicitly sounds like this audit will be a discussion point of a much lengthier conversation at this point." you were expecting long discussion of audit result, but it didn't happen. And I've pointed it out. Are you sure you follow context ?
11:49:57 <ooo123ooo1234567> <kayabanerve[m]> "I actually am disincentivized..." <- hahahahaha
11:50:13 <ooo123ooo1234567> <UkoeHB> "It would probably be best to..." <- indeed
11:51:25 <ooo123ooo1234567> <UkoeHB> "a scoping debacle, as I have..." <- indeed, a scoping debacle was the only problem with 1st audit and 2nd one went much more smoothly
11:52:24 <ooo123ooo1234567> <kayabanerve[m]> "You've shown yours before. I'm..." <- It isn't a fun shouting to the void
11:54:25 <ooo123ooo1234567> <kayabanerve[m]> "I don't even think people here..." <- There are some problems -> I've discovered them -> trying to ask others to do something -> they're ignoring / dodging / deny -> problems are still there -> I point out on obvious bias of those who deny problems  -> you say "I don't even think people here are wrong ffs. ..." and "I'm going to follow mooo and drop out here though"; facepalm
11:54:34 <ooo123ooo1234567> are you sure that you're grown individual ?
11:56:47 <ooo123ooo1234567> luigi1111: said "no" and then merged payout to that scammer; it's just facepalm
11:56:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ooo123ooo1234567> "> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I..." <- Nope. I had sent that to you in a private message (empty room). Private message was more specific. 
11:56:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> You have many uncertainties / insecurities but im no snake in the grass. 
11:56:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> There isnt anyone trying to tell me what to think and if they did, well sorry to break it to them but I don't follow crowds. 
11:58:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> ooo123ooo1234567: Sent to you in pm but you had left (sent to empty room)
12:03:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ooo haters and scammers literally avoid me or accuse me of being you. 
12:03:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj ran from here and slammed every door on the way out after 1 chat with me.
12:04:31 <ooo123ooo1234567> if there was a payout to him, then not every door yet
12:04:39 <ooo123ooo1234567> and that incompetent endor00 is still here too
12:05:17 <ooo123ooo1234567> I don't care about that specific payout, but why not public explanation for that case: whether it's good or bad to do and why, it's important for the whole environment
12:05:56 <ooo123ooo1234567> it looks like everyone is just using this time while I don't do any work in order to hide their fuckups or find a way to escape from punishment/feedback
12:07:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not everyone but people certain someones, but we know.
12:08:20 <ooo123ooo1234567> I've expected that they would probably hire someone competent and kick me out, but what to do with other incompetent people ?
12:08:28 <ooo123ooo1234567> and also what would be the cost for that competent one ?
12:09:41 <ooo123ooo1234567> no matter how to change social hierarchy technical problems will be still there
12:10:50 <ooo123ooo1234567> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Sent to you in pm but you had..." <- what did you send there (notification about this event) ?
12:12:38 <ooo123ooo1234567> also incompetenc in isolation isn't a problem, but fuse of incompetence and dishonesty is a problem
12:13:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> ooo123ooo1234567: Yeah
12:14:29 <ooo123ooo1234567> s/incompetenc/incompetence/
12:21:56 <ooo123ooo1234567> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-dev/20220516#c96402, "... so what we need to improve is less haphazard protocol and code work (or at least tighten merge requirements)." i've not noticed even agreement on this: tighten merge requirements
12:24:09 <ooo123ooo1234567> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20220701#c115187, "01:18 ooo123ooo1234567 optimistically bulletproofs++ included, problems found from work on multisig and few MRL issues"
12:24:56 <ooo123ooo1234567> ok go to do something from this, hopefully something interesting will happen in the meantime
12:25:09 <ooo123ooo1234567> I've wasted almost 2 months on this useless public talk instead of doing the above
12:25:14 <ooo123ooo1234567> good bye
12:39:45 <MeowingCat> i built Monero to Android but there is no libwallet_merged.a and other archives
12:42:18 <MeowingCat> what should i do to get a libwallet_merged.a?
12:44:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> I'd check for you but my pc is off
12:44:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> libwallet.a is in monero/lib
12:44:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> My local (mobile) build folder is incomplete. You dont have merged-a in that folder?
12:45:26 <MeowingCat> find . -iname libwallet is saying nothing
12:45:51 <MeowingCat> ummmmm wait
12:45:55 <selsta> how did you build it to android?
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12:45:58 <MeowingCat> there is libwallet.a but no libwallet_merged.a
12:46:09 <MeowingCat> make HOST=aarch64-linux-android
12:47:31 <tobtoht[m]> libwallet_merged was removed https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7694/files
12:48:06 <MeowingCat> then im using a different branch on MSYS2 for Windows build
12:48:47 <MeowingCat> should i use libwallet.a instead of libwallet_merged.a?
12:53:37 <selsta> maybe you reverted it on Windows?
12:53:49 <selsta> I told you to do this a while ago
12:59:55 <luigi1111> I see
13:06:38 <MeowingCat> reverted?
13:06:49 <MeowingCat> ohh you mean Git revision?
13:06:53 <MeowingCat> yes maybe
13:07:01 <MeowingCat> so this means
13:07:10 <MeowingCat> should i just use libwallet.a instead of libwallet_merged.a?
13:14:43 <kayabaNerve> selsta and anyone concerned about Trezor https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8299#issuecomment-1173773719
13:15:03 <selsta> I've seen it.. :/
13:15:04 <kayabaNerve> 4 days of service interruption. Considering we already moved back, I vote we don't re-schedule once again, yet leave this at Trezor.
13:15:11 <selsta> agree
13:25:32 <luigi1111> Branch when
13:25:40 <sech1> .merges
13:25:40 <xmr-pr> Merge queue empty
13:28:22 <sech1> Branch probably after 8149 is merged, right?
13:28:40 <selsta> and some other things have to be merged first
13:32:13 <arnuschky[m]> sech1: Who merges 8149? I thought it's ready and waiting...
13:33:11 <sech1> it is ready, but not merged yet
13:34:29 <luigi1111> Ooo left do not sure what that means
13:36:12 <luigi1111> We should try to branch within the next few days 
13:38:02 <kayabanerve[m]> <sech1> "Branch probably after 8149 is..." <- We also need the burning bug fix
13:38:08 <kayabanerve[m]> It's not just 8149
13:38:56 <tobtoht[m]> is there a PR open for this?
13:39:08 <selsta> koe shared the branch a couple days ago
13:39:19 <selsta> the code exists, no PR yet
13:39:39 <kayabanerve[m]> I'll also request 8371 again if we're doing a last call
13:40:26 <kayabanerve[m]> selsta: Because it's dependent on 8149, though I do believe it should've remained in 8149, "scope creep" be damned D:
14:11:36 <arnuschky[m]> <kayabanerve[m]> "We also need the burning bug fix" <- of course. but for that, we first need to merge 8149
14:11:56 <kayabanerve[m]> Right, which is my previous message:p
14:12:15 <arnuschky[m]> kayabanerve[m]: yeah, reading from the top, sorry :D
14:12:32 <arnuschky[m]> <kayabanerve[m]> "Because it's dependent on 8149..." <- it's really quite silly not to be able to do dependent PRs on github
20:19:01 <MeowingCat> i have an issue about linking Monero for Android build
20:19:03 <MeowingCat> ld: error: undefined symbol: Monero::WalletManagerFactory::getWalletManager()
20:19:03 <MeowingCat> >>> referenced by MeowletXMR.cpp:64 (src/MeowletXMR.cpp:64)
20:19:03 <MeowingCat> >>>               meowletxmr.o:(MeowletXMR::Wallet::Wallet(std::__ndk1::basic_string<char, std::__ndk1::char_traits<char>, std::__ndk1::allocator<char> >)) in archive build/Android/libmeowletxmr.a
20:19:20 <MeowingCat> what can cause this?
20:19:51 <MeowingCat> $(shell find $(ANDROID_NDK_ROOT)/toolchains/llvm/prebuilt/linux-x86_64/sysroot/usr/lib/arm-linux-androideabi -iname *.a)
20:20:05 <MeowingCat> im passing this to CLang for Android libraries
20:25:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> MeowingCat: 
20:25:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> 8C3WJzZ6WVjW5cMuTuhWNNc6B7gWxhLzRc1j5A6SZK5eSeTNDLRNxLJALyUCJ4yaFPeHbDWPodX2cA5a1mTSPmXc2gD8Cez
20:26:08 <MeowingCat> ofrnxmr[m], ?
20:28:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're hiring devs?
22:16:59 <selsta> .merge+ 8371 8388 8390 8391 8400 8404 8408 8412 8413 8414
22:16:59 <xmr-pr> Added
22:57:19 <MeowingCat> im doing make release-static-android-armv7
22:57:33 <MeowingCat> but it is saying "CMake Error: The source directory "/root/monero/build/Linux/translations" does not exist."
22:57:49 <MeowingCat> is this a bug or something is wrong?
23:00:50 <jeffro256[m]> There’s no way to tell without context
23:00:57 <jeffro256[m]> Maybe bad file permissions ?
23:49:04 <MeowingCat> jeffro256[m], it is root
23:49:29 <MeowingCat> funcs.mk:264: recipe for target '/root/monero/contrib/depends/work/build/arm-linux-android/sodium/1.0.18-888b4964a35/./.stamp_configured' failed