09:15:18 <stretch1> what is peer_id ?
09:16:44 <stretch1>     public_zone.m_config.m_peer_id = crypto::rand<uint64_t>();
09:16:44 <stretch1> what is flow: init change publisch ?
09:17:16 <stretch1> <moneromooo> "It's "peer_id", mostly in..." <- .
09:17:39 <stretch1>  * ```
09:17:40 <stretch1> public_zone.m_config.m_peer_id = crypto::rand<uint64_t>();
09:17:40 <stretch1> ```
09:17:40 <stretch1> what is flow: init change publish
09:19:46 <stretch1> it seems local only to identify peer but not published.
09:19:46 <stretch1> true? peer1 sees peer2 under a  different id than peer 3 sees peer 2 ?
10:13:09 <MeowingCat> as i see
10:13:13 <MeowingCat> Monero is broken
10:13:23 <MeowingCat> can't build to Android ARM target
10:13:29 <MeowingCat> but you don't care
10:13:50 <MeowingCat> i've never seen a software like this
10:14:24 <MeowingCat> for example Godot wants NDK path and just uses the CLang distributed in NDK to build itself
10:14:48 <MeowingCat> but Monero can't build itself
10:33:28 <stretch1> * 2 ? ofrnxmr 
11:02:47 <MeowingCat> make release-static-android-armv7 is wrong
11:03:01 <MeowingCat> release-static-android-armv7:
11:03:01 <MeowingCat> 	mkdir -p $(builddir)/release/translations
11:03:01 <MeowingCat> 	cd $(builddir)/release/translations && cmake ../../../translations && $(MAKE)
11:03:01 <MeowingCat> 	cd $(builddir)/release && CC=arm-linux-androideabi-clang CXX=arm-linux-androideabi-clang++ cmake -D BUILD_TESTS=OFF -D ARCH="armv7-a" -D STATIC=ON -D BUILD_64=OFF -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=release -D ANDROID=true -D INSTALL_VENDORED_LIBUNBOUND=ON -D BUILD_TAG="android-armv7" -D CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME="Android" -D CMAKE_ANDROID_STANDALONE_TOOLCHAIN="${ANDROID_STANDALONE_TOOLCHAIN_PATH}" -D CMAKE_ANDROID_ARM_MODE=ON -D CMAKE_ANDROID_ARCH_ABI="armeabi-v7a" 
11:03:03 <MeowingCat> ../.. && $(MAKE)
11:03:13 <MeowingCat> this is "release-static-android-armv7" recipe
11:03:25 <MeowingCat> CMake Error: The source directory "/root/monero/build/Linux/translations" does not exist.
11:16:25 <MeowingCat> gitian-build.py is giving errors too
11:17:32 <MeowingCat> subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['bin/make-base-vm', '--suite', 'bionic', '--arch', 'amd64', '--lxc']' returned non-zero exit status 1.
12:48:59 <sethforprivacy> Do we have a stagenet fork height/date chosen yet?
12:50:15 <sethforprivacy> Working on updating the checklist here: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/690
12:56:41 <sethforprivacy> Also, if anyone reading this knows more items on the list that can be checked off (or wants to take notifying an exchange or wallet that they use) that would be very helpful.
13:47:00 <w[m]> Herominers pool can be checked 
13:48:42 <MajesticBank> larger exchanges migration, like kraken / binance?
13:48:53 <w[m]> Should be do a double (with at least mining pools) to check (after the software is released) to ensure they updated?
14:05:26 <moneroextremist[> Seth For Privacy made a bold claim. He said that if you use e.g: sideshift to receive monero, and then use that same Monero and re-send it to sideshift to trade it for Bitcoin, sideshift would be able to identify that the Monero you sent was the same one that they gave you in a previous transaction. If this is indeed true, is this fixable by just sending monero into another account on your own wallet using the GUI? I am assuming
14:05:26 <moneroextremist[> this would be possible by guessing the 1/10 of the ring signers ? 
14:06:33 <moneroextremist[>  * Seth For Privacy made a bold claim. He said that if you use e.g: sideshift to receive monero, and then use that same Monero and re-send it to sideshift to trade it for Bitcoin, sideshift would be able to identify that the Monero you sent was the same one that they gave you in a previous transaction. If this is indeed true, is this fixable by just sending monero into another account on your own wallet using the GUI? In other
14:06:33 <moneroextremist[> words, does the other accounts you have under the same wallet on the GUI give you a new ring signing identity, therefore, when you get that new ring identity you'll be immune to this AEA attack?
14:08:22 <hyc> ask in #monero, that's not a -dev question
14:10:30 <moneroextremist[> hyc: sethforprivacy isnt on the #monero:monero.social channel unfortunately
14:10:44 <gingeropolous> well try -community
14:10:56 <sethforprivacy> I'll answer via DMs, thats off-topic for here.
14:28:49 <moneroextremist[> <sethforprivacy> "I'll answer via DMs, thats off-..." <- I just dmed you.
14:48:23 <tobtoht[m]> <sethforprivacy> "Do we have a stagenet fork..." <- 1151000,  aug 6-ish
15:11:08 <MeowingCat> is there anyone can build Monero to Android?
15:11:17 <MeowingCat> seems like it has tons of bugs
15:11:29 <hyc> works for me
15:11:40 <MeowingCat> really?
15:12:05 <hyc> yeah. I've used gitian-build.py and also dockrun.sh
15:12:20 <MeowingCat> which branch do you build?
15:12:22 <hyc> I don't use gitian-build.py directly any more because I'm on ubuntu 22
15:12:27 <sech1> I run the official Monero aarch64 binary on my phone, but it's in Termux
15:12:39 <MeowingCat> im trying to build on Ubuntu 18.04
15:12:44 <MeowingCat> but it doesn't work :(((((((
15:13:17 <hyc> you're runnung ubuntu 18.04 inside a docker container on windows?
15:13:34 <MeowingCat> yes
15:13:38 <MeowingCat> Docker on Windows
15:13:54 <hyc> I've never used docker on windows. no idea why that's broken
15:14:40 <TrasherDK[m]> Why not run a ubuntu 22 in a VirtualBox VM?
15:14:43 <hyc> note that gitian-build itself uses docker, which means you need to have docker installed inside of docker
15:15:03 <MeowingCat> im really confused
15:15:09 <hyc> and I have no idea if the linux docker is compatible with windows docker so that the tools can talk to each other
15:15:15 <MeowingCat> isn't there a way to build it without Docker?
15:15:20 <MeowingCat> because im already on Ubuntu 18.04
15:15:35 <MeowingCat> TrasherDK[m], the doc says it needs Ubuntu 18.04
15:16:12 <hyc> then cd'ing into contrib/depends and "make HOST=aarch64-linux-android" ought to work
15:16:40 <hyc> but tbh I haven't done a bare depends build in ages. and I don't have a plain ubuntu 18.04 system anywhere
15:16:51 <hyc> which is why I only build it inside a ubuntu 18 image in docker
15:16:56 <TrasherDK[m]> I guess hyc didn't read the docs.
15:17:06 <hyc> nonsense.
15:17:18 <hyc> I wrote the docs.
15:18:12 <MeowingCat> hyc, are you sure "make HOST=aarch64-linux-android" means building to ARM Android?
15:18:15 <TrasherDK[m]> So it's ubuntu 22, running 18 in a docker container?
15:18:16 <hyc> a bare depends build will not work on ubuntu 22. which is why I use ubuntu 18 inside a docker image.
15:18:40 <MeowingCat> i built with "make HOST=aarch64-linux-android" but can't link my thing that are built to ARM
15:18:43 <hyc> MeowingCat: yes I'm sure.
15:18:48 <MeowingCat> ummmmmm
15:18:50 <MeowingCat> im really confused
15:18:54 <MeowingCat> "make HOST=aarch64-linux-android" is ARM right?
15:19:13 <hyc> quit asking the same questions over and over. the answers aren't going to change.
15:19:33 <MeowingCat> because as i see it is not building to ARM
15:19:37 <hyc> aarch64 is 64 bit ARM
15:19:42 <MeowingCat> ummmmmmm
15:19:44 <MeowingCat> waittttttt
15:19:48 <MeowingCat> thank you all btw
15:33:46 <MeowingCat> TrasherDK[m], noo Ubuntu 18.04/Docker on Windows
15:34:07 <MeowingCat> hyc, should i do "make HOST=aarch64-linux-android" in contrib/depends?
15:34:13 <hyc> yes
15:34:14 <MeowingCat> or just "make HOST=aarch64-linux-android" in monero
15:34:18 <MeowingCat> ummm okii
15:34:20 <hyc> no
15:34:21 <TrasherDK[m]> I would use VirtualBox
15:38:14 <MeowingCat> hyc, im using CLang that is coming in android-ndk-r23c to build Godot and my library
15:39:01 <MeowingCat> i tried "make HOST=aarch64-linux-android" before but i couldn't link Monero to my library
15:39:08 <hyc> monero is built with android ndk 17b
15:39:26 <MeowingCat> i think it should not be a problem but
15:39:33 <MeowingCat> at least for linking
15:39:36 <hyc> when you use depends it installs its own copy of the ndk
15:39:46 <MeowingCat> yess i saw
15:39:55 <hyc> generally, C++ binaries are not compatible between different compiler versions
15:39:58 <MeowingCat> i think it should not avoid linking
15:40:03 <MeowingCat> ummmm
15:40:06 <hyc> boost libs in particular are compiler dependent
15:40:24 <hyc> and monero uses boost extensively
15:41:17 <MeowingCat> then i will build Godot and my library with android-ndk-r17b too
15:41:28 <hyc> that sounds good
15:42:47 <MeowingCat> i should just do the same "make HOST=aarch64-linux-android" after building depends right?
15:43:02 <hyc> no
15:43:19 <hyc> use the cmake invocation in the depends/README
15:51:11 <r4v3r23[m]> is 8149 being merged as experimental/disabled by default or will it just replace current multisig?
16:10:50 <UkoeHB> r4v3r23[m]: as experimental
16:16:43 <sethforprivacy> <tobtoht[m]> "1151000,  aug 6-ish" <- Updated, thanks
17:18:45 <MeowingCat> checking whether the C compiler works... no
17:18:45 <MeowingCat> configure: error: in `/root/monero/contrib/depends/work/build/aarch64-linux-android/sodium/1.0.18-888b4964a35':
17:18:45 <MeowingCat> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
17:18:45 <MeowingCat> See `config.log' for more details
17:18:45 <MeowingCat> funcs.mk:264: recipe for target '/root/monero/contrib/depends/work/build/aarch64-linux-android/sodium/1.0.18-888b4964a35/./.stamp_configured' failed
17:18:57 <MeowingCat> building contrib/depends to Android failed with this
17:39:38 <selsta> building to Android works with gitian, using depends directly probably requires some extra setup
17:42:50 <MajesticBank> why not using
17:43:10 <MajesticBank> monero android from cake?
17:43:22 <selsta> MajesticBank: i think he is building his own wallet
17:43:33 <MajesticBank> ya but it's just library
17:43:39 <MajesticBank> monero for android
17:43:54 <selsta> i did recommend looking at cake in the past
17:43:56 <MajesticBank> cake is just gui
17:44:04 <MajesticBank> all the code is fork from monero
17:46:33 <MajesticBank> https://github.com/cake-tech/monero
17:46:43 <MajesticBank> there are different branches 
17:47:04 <MajesticBank> compiles for both ios and android
17:52:46 <MajesticBank> thanks cake wallet and vik for making it open-source anyway
18:17:47 <hyc> MeowingCat: master built fine for me https://paste.debian.net/1246282/
18:20:04 <selsta> hyc: he tried to use depends directly without gitian
18:20:30 <selsta> which as far as i know requires some extra setup? i tried to add depends android to CI but didn't get it working
18:20:36 <hyc> yeah. that ought to work, but it probably requires special PATH and other env settings
18:20:57 <hyc> settings which gitian-android.yml already does
18:21:24 <hyc> because otherwise, gitian just invokes make depends
18:32:05 <hyc> the only thing interesting that it puts in the path before building is faketime wrappers for clang clang++ ar nm
18:33:01 <selsta> i thought faketime was only relevant for the hashes to match?
18:33:01 <hyc> there's also a faketime wrapper for date, but not important if you don't need a reproducible build
18:33:21 <hyc> the others are significant because they're present in the path before any other build tools
18:33:43 <hyc> maybe he's getting the wrong clang otherwise
18:33:51 <selsta> ok will try
18:35:31 <hyc> if you don't need faketime you could just try creating a /bin/ subdir with symlinks to the NDK tools, and making sure that's first in PATH
18:44:02 <hyc> I'm now doing a fresh build of all the dependencies for aarch64-linux-android with those items in my PATH
18:44:33 <hyc> inside a ubuntu 18.04 docker image
18:44:37 <hyc> so far no problems
18:46:24 <hyc> I'm a little puzzled why we build our own sodium and our own zeromq but we don't configure our zeromq to use sodium
18:47:10 <hyc> anyway, it's all working, including sodium build
18:52:41 <hyc> yep, all built fine
18:59:16 <hyc> the depends/README.md has some errors, it says -DCMAKE_TOOLCHAIN=... but it must be -DCMAKE_TOOLCHAIN_FILE=...
19:06:20 <hyc> selsta, MeowingCat: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8419
19:07:33 <MeowingCat> hyc, thank you
19:07:40 <MeowingCat> my internet is like shit rn
19:07:48 <MeowingCat> im gonna use dockrun.sh on WSL
19:08:04 <MeowingCat> i hope it will work
19:08:05 <selsta> hyc: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/Makefile#L51
19:08:17 <selsta> i have used that, which already seems correct but i'll try again
19:08:28 <MeowingCat> main Makefile too has an issue
19:08:41 <MeowingCat> in release-static-android-armv7 recipe
19:08:47 <MeowingCat> cd $(builddir)/release/translations && cmake ../../../translations && $(MAKE)
19:09:19 <selsta> there release-static-android targets aren't really supported, we use depends/gitian for android
19:09:22 <selsta> these*
19:11:30 <hyc> selsta: yeah the pat is correct there
19:11:46 <hyc> path* 
19:11:56 <selsta> but i tried it a couple months ago so i'll try again to see if it works now
19:12:18 <hyc> you'd have to do make depends target=aarch64-linux-android
19:13:49 <hyc> I think all of those release-static-blah targets are obsolete. they can only work if you have all the tools already
19:14:06 <hyc> and we don't use them to build release images any more anyway, they were obsoleted by gitian
19:15:11 <hyc> I also think they only work for native builds, not cross compiles
19:22:50 <hyc> libwallet.a is 145MB. that seems a bit excessive... those are mostly debug symbols, but it's still over 10MB of executable code
19:30:03 <selsta> hyc: which dependencies did you install?
19:30:24 <selsta> I assume we get the compiler from the ndk
19:31:05 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/contrib/gitian/gitian-android.yml has gcc-7 g++-7, gcc, g++
19:34:07 <hyc> I used my gitian-target docker image, so it had all of the gitian-android deps installed already
19:34:46 <hyc> yes, we use the NDK compiler for building target files. we use whatever gcc for building build-host tools
19:35:06 <selsta> i started a build now, let's see
19:46:03 <hyc> "make depends target=aarch64-linux-android" is working for me too, without any PATH mucking
20:02:47 <selsta> hyc: nice, it also worked for me. must have been something that's fixed recently or i had the wrong depends target
20:03:38 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8420
20:04:15 <selsta> i've only added armv8 now, does it make sense to also add armv7?
20:13:42 <hyc> I don't particularly care about armv7 support. ARM is already dropping 32bit support from all their newest processor designs
20:18:02 <hyc> \I'm a bit confused tho, what's that Pr for? CI/CD already builds ARM
20:31:47 <selsta> hyc: but not for android specifically
20:32:00 <MeowingCat_> hyc, i just ran dockrun.sh and failed with errors like "#5 0.346 E: Unable to locate packag ..."
20:33:32 <selsta> we build to linux armv8, also having ci for android doesn't hurt so that the ndk stuff gets tested
20:37:28 <selsta> MeowingCat_: i just tried it without docker, it should work as long as you are using ubuntu 18.04 or 20.04
20:38:27 <MeowingCat_> selsta, it is not working :((((
20:38:30 <selsta> build-essential libtool cmake autotools-dev automake pkg-config bsdmainutils curl git ca-certificates gperf cmake python3
20:38:34 <selsta> install these dependencies
20:39:01 <selsta> like i said, i just successfully ran it on a fresh ubuntu 18.04 vm
20:55:51 <MeowingCat> can Monero build and work properly with newer NDK?
21:16:59 <selsta> what would be a reason to update? but theoretically yes
21:23:58 <MeowingCat> dockrun.sh stucked at "Running build script (log in var/build.log)"
21:24:09 <MeowingCat> is it normal to take very long time?
21:29:37 <selsta> how long did you wait?
21:29:51 <MeowingCat> about 40 mins
21:29:53 <MeowingCat> still waiting
21:30:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes, on my system at least 
21:30:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can see running process in htop 
21:30:35 <selsta> build script does a full build of all dependencies + monero
21:31:04 <MeowingCat> i see GCCs
22:52:10 <MeowingCat> If these results look correct, type "sign" to sign them, otherwise ^C to stop now.
22:52:11 <MeowingCat> Not signing, bye.
22:52:16 <MeowingCat> did i miss this thing??
22:52:26 <MeowingCat> how can i reach outputs?
22:59:17 <MeowingCat> i found it in container
23:04:23 <MeowingCat> :((((((
23:04:42 <MeowingCat> there is no any object archive in build
23:05:03 <MeowingCat> i neeed .a files to link
23:05:39 <MeowingCat> i will look at container
23:09:43 <MeowingCat> im looking at /home/ubuntu/build/monero in container but there is no anything about Monero static libraries
23:09:45 <MeowingCat> :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
23:15:37 <MeowingCat> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/contrib/gitian/gitian-android.yml#L129
23:17:16 <MeowingCat> please remove this damn line