06:44:24 <ben[m]12345> hello everyone, ive been poking around with building and packaging monero and saw that [contributors are wanted](https://github.com/monero-project/gitian.sigs#how-to-contribute) to build and confirm the reproducible builds with gitian so i have created [monero-project/gitian.sigs#211]  as a draft PR for now if someone can take a look
06:44:41 <ben[m]12345> * created [monero-project/gitian.sigs#211](https://github.com/monero-project/gitian.sigs/pull/211) as
06:49:46 <moneromooo> Always good to have more data points, thanks.
07:02:46 <ben[m]12345> cool — i’ll move it from draft then
12:56:50 <one-horse-wagon[> ben: I've been working on Monero Gitian builds also to see if there is a way to really simplify it.  Only 10 guys signed off on v0.18.1.0  which is too low for the size and importance of the project.   
12:57:47 <ben[m]12345> well now we’re soon 11
12:57:47 <ben[m]12345> and yeah i also think it can be simpler
12:58:13 <ben[m]12345> the way it is now it doesn’t really “fit” well into my existing build systems, but i think this can be improved
12:58:17 <ben[m]12345> * soon 11 :)
13:03:41 <one-horse-wagon[> ben: I bought a laptop to dedicate to the work.  Refurbished Dell 7390 with 8 gig ram.  16 gig is the most it's supposed to handle but I've sent for a 32 gig single board.  There are underground claims you can juice the ram up to 32 gigs without any problems.  We'll see in a few days when it comes.   I have a computer with an AMD Ryzen 3950 and 64 gigs of ram.  It rips out the Docker gitian build in 40 minutes when you set decent
13:03:41 <one-horse-wagon[> parameters.  Hardware and settings makes a big difference. 
13:14:32 <ben[m]12345> i got my stuff colocated, live in a flat so i don’t have space for stuff like that (or it gets crammed fast)
13:14:41 <ben[m]12345> got no shortage of hardware though
13:14:52 <ben[m]12345> (or kvm hosts)
13:16:14 <one-horse-wagon[> ben: The stumbling block I see as to why there are not more builders is having to interact with Github.   There are a number of guys (like me) that know linux well.  But Git and Github are not learned for two reasons--1.  there is no real need to do so if you are not a developer and 2.  it's incredibly hard because it does so many many things.
13:20:17 <ben[m]12345> it’s a bit of a niche skill set, when you’re getting paid for it they call you “devops” 🙃
14:20:28 <hyc> that's a pretty narrow view of git. anybody who writes lots of text documents would benefit from a version control system
14:32:04 <plowsof> i remember using notepad and deleting the top half , building... then the bottom half.. and so on, to find errors, now with git i don't have to waste time (i just delete everything and clone the private repo i have on github xD and pretend like i use version control correctly) lol , but git is very useful , even if you learn a few commands
14:46:51 <elizabeth_saul11> hey guys! I'm with Guarda wallet, can I talk to someone of Monero contributors? regarding XMR support. thanks
14:47:31 <hyc> elizabeth_saul11: you're talking to them now
14:52:14 <elizabeth_saul11> hyc: great. so we’d like to support XMR for management (send/receive/exchanges/purchases operations)
14:52:14 <elizabeth_saul11> in order to do so we’d need an adapter to interact with the blockchain/ docs that would let us develop such an adapter. That would be API docs with the methods list+ types of data list/ workflow (like the sequence of methods request). can anyone consult on this? and maybe some dev help? thanks 
14:57:43 <sech1> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html
14:58:19 <sech1> if I understood correctly
15:06:22 <Rucknium[m]> elizabeth_saul11: For my research purposes, can you confirm that Guarda wallet currently cannot send transactions since the hard fork?
15:22:32 <elizabeth_saul11> <Rucknium[m]> "elizabeth_saul11: For my..." <- XMR is under maintenance on Guarda right now, so you cant manage XMR just yet
15:23:12 <elizabeth_saul11> <sech1> "https://www.getmonero.org/..." <- thank you! but this one looks like a doc for internal interaction
16:16:45 <ben[m]12345> <hyc> "that's a pretty narrow view of..." <- yeah, a great example of that is weblate (a CAT tool)
16:21:00 <ben[m]12345> (actually im pretty sure the monero project is even using weblate :) 
16:21:10 <ben[m]12345> s/even//
16:21:55 <sech1> elizabeth_saul11 what do you mean by "interact with the blockchain"? monerod interacts with the blockchain, everything else is done via RPC calls - either to monerod directly, or to monero-wallet-rpc
16:24:23 <sech1> most monero wallets use wallet2.h/wallet2.cpp for all the heavy lifting
16:24:33 <sech1> from monero/src/wallet directory