02:34:11 <caveman> UkoeHB: what criteria should "resolving" have in order to qualify as "trivial"?
03:58:28 <UkoeHB> Physics is unambiguous and static (for all practical purposes). There is no disagreement about what reality is, hence disagreements are trivially resolved. Therefore physical commodities satisfy the basic requirements for money. ‘Largest cumulative difficulty’ is unambiguous and static - disagreements about what the canonical state is are trivially resolved by asking which alternative has the highest cumulative difficulty. 
03:58:28 <UkoeHB> Therefore money state tied to PoW satisfies the basic requirements.
04:16:28 <CidadodoMonerist> <UkoeHB> "Physics is unambiguous and..." <- Contexto👉👈?
05:03:51 <caveman> UkoeHB: does this make bitcoin ambiguous?  e.g. consensus can cause network partitions.  i guess the same applies to monero (correct me if i'm wrong).
05:04:30 <caveman> i mean, network partitions can cause consensus problems and an unfair resolution.
17:35:05 <fr33_yourself[m]> <UkoeHB> "Physics is unambiguous and..." <- True. + Respect for Koe's knowledge of money and the roles it serves. 
17:36:48 <fr33_yourself[m]> <caveman> "i mean, network partitions can..." <- If the network splits, you just have to stick to the one that you think is best or right. Just like Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash
17:38:35 <caveman> so, undeterministic?
17:41:09 <fr33_yourself[m]> I'm too stupid to understand your point of disagreement with Koe.
17:41:51 <fr33_yourself[m]> I'm just glad to see Koe knows his shit as he is a leader here and a key writer of new protocols and codebase.
17:43:04 <fr33_yourself[m]> In particular it's nice to see he wants to secure Monero against risks of supply inflation aside from the programmed tail emission/block reward.
17:49:07 <caveman> is Koe the main dev?
17:54:32 <fr33_yourself[m]> maybe
17:54:35 <fr33_yourself[m]> you are giving off fed vibes
17:54:48 <fr33_yourself[m]> No way you are an assassin going to find our king Koe
17:55:36 <fr33_yourself[m]> But you seem pretty smart and send you don't like MMT and modern day economists so you are probably not a fed
17:55:38 <fr33_yourself[m]> You a fellow Austrian thinker like me?
17:55:51 <rbrunner> koe wrote a very big library implementing Seraphis and Jamtis over the course of a full year, but will now mostly retire from dev work
17:57:02 <caveman> fr33_yourself[m]: i'm sick of the fiat-based system.  it makes no sense to me.  if government wants to promote spending, they can tax people forcefully to pay in case they don't spend enough.  they already tax.  but apparently they want to tax silently (by means of printing new fiats).
17:58:09 <caveman> but letting the government/feds print/issue fiats, simply means we have no clue what does our money even mean.  at any point it could turn useless.
17:58:17 <fr33_yourself[m]> So you must be a fellow Austrian right?
17:58:28 <fr33_yourself[m]> True
17:58:41 <UkoeHB> Off topic guys
17:58:42 <caveman> not sure i fully belong to any economy school yet.  i have to learn more about the austrian system.
17:58:43 <fr33_yourself[m]> Acoomulate as much Gold and Monero and weapons as possible lol
17:59:36 <caveman> i'm here just to discuss protocols.  not general economics.
17:59:52 <CidadodoMonerist> fr33_yourself[m]: And befriend your neighbours
18:00:39 <caveman> UkoeHB: i don't get why you considered my approach ambiguous, while didn't consider btc's ambiguous (they have the partitioning problem that its resolution is based on what people choose in the future).
18:03:03 <fr33_yourself[m]> Isn't that the only solution? Let the fork happen and see what nodes and miners and users go where?
18:03:18 <fr33_yourself[m]> That seems to be the current solution for all cryptocurrencies I'm aware of at least
18:03:23 <fr33_yourself[m]> CidadodoMonerist: True
18:04:00 <caveman> i think there is a solution where partitioning will not change outcomes.  but this would require -imo- rewards to be independent of network's size.
18:07:32 <fr33_yourself[m]> caveman: what's the problem with how things currently work?
18:07:57 <caveman> did you read what i said days ago?
18:10:08 <fr33_yourself[m]> No
18:10:19 <fr33_yourself[m]> I did but it was too high level for me to understand
18:10:22 <fr33_yourself[m]> over my head
18:23:24 <caveman> fr33_yourself[m]: we may discuss it in pm if you're ok (just to keep noise low here)
18:25:16 <fr33_yourself[m]> sure send it
18:25:21 <fr33_yourself[m]> I'll be offline soon though
20:33:28 <Guest24> hey my compiler is complaining about src/common/threadpool.h, saying it can't find template named deque in namespace std
20:33:53 <Guest24> I don't think <deque> is included there
20:34:21 <Guest24> I guess it was overlooked because compilers include the standard library sometimes?
20:35:14 <Guest24> halp
20:37:22 <sech1> Try https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8682
20:37:58 <Guest24> cheers!