01:05:50 <afungible[m]> <selsta> "afungible: do you know the exact..." <- selsta: could you reproduce this at your end? I'm curious if I'm doing something wrong or if it indeed is a bug. Only happens when balance is too low at an output.
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02:03:04 <stonne[m]> Quem queria presente em Monero… sorteio pra galera. Pagamento em XMR.
02:03:04 <stonne[m]> https://instagram.com/p/CmnG1g8N5Vf/
02:06:19 <stonne[m]> #monerobrasilsemban:monero.social 
03:27:21 <selsta> afungible[m]: I'm confused, your screenshot shows a balance of 0.0000003, which isn't enough to pay the fee.
05:05:48 <afungible[m]> <selsta> "afungible: I'm confused, your..." <- That's correct. Pls.take a look at my last comment left here. I've also provide seed to my sample wallet in case you wish to test it out.
05:05:48 <afungible[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8480
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05:07:50 <afungible[m]> This was the wallet before, someone was mean to have swept off the output at subaddr 3, after I posted the seed of the sample wallet.
05:10:14 <afungible[m]> If you prefer, you could top it up with a small fee to test if you could clean sweep all outputs at once (as should be the case).
05:11:55 <plowsof11> so you want to gift someone 3 * 0.0000001 xmr ? is there a problem here (you don't even give a restore height) 
05:15:06 <afungible[m]> Restore height: 2022-12-24
05:15:06 <afungible[m]> No I don't intend to gift 10^-6 XMR to anyone. I just would like to make sure things work as designed.
05:15:36 <plowsof11> you dont have enough to pay the transaction fee , am i missing something here
05:18:27 <afungible[m]> Yes, if you intend to test there need to be a small fee (a new output) into the wallet, for 'sweep_all' to expect to clean out all outputs. But it doesn't work. Pls.check the comments in the ticket I had opened above.
05:19:52 <plowsof11> clearly explained now, with restore height. if anyone wishes to restore a wallet (with a public seed tats been stolen from) and deposit monero in it to withdraw 0.0000003 monero they can do so in their free time. we don't have to talk about it / or comment on github anymore 
05:22:35 <afungible[m]> I think you got me wrong. My intention is not to ask you/anyone to reuse this wallet. I only wanted to bring out that I saw an issue and can be looked into.
05:26:26 <afungible[m]> * I think you got me wrong. My intention is not to ask you/anyone to reuse this wallet. I only wanted to bring out that I saw an issue and can be looked into.
05:26:26 <afungible[m]> PS: I only shared that wallet to use it as a reference, nothing more.
05:47:14 <afungible[m]> * I think you got me wrong. My intention is not to ask you/anyone to reuse this wallet. I only want to bring out that I saw a bug and must be looked into. If an output has very low balance (< fee), its not combining with other outputs in sweep, after v0.18.1.
05:47:14 <afungible[m]> PS: I only shared that wallet to use it as a reference, nothing more.
06:00:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Does it work with moo's patch? https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8480#issuecomment-1205185523
06:02:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or wait, was that just for logging?
06:02:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> The previous fix was the order ofbthw arguements?
06:02:31 <afungible[m]> Afai remember, moo's patch was only for debug log, not a fix. I tested it to give him the output back in v0.17 stable.
06:03:46 <afungible[m]> I changed the title after discussing it moo. It was just the order of args. The sweep_all did work nicely back then, perhaps not the way it should after HF,  imo
06:04:06 <afungible[m]> discussing it with moo* I meant
06:08:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Try with the patch
06:08:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> I remember it not working in v17 as well
06:11:08 <afungible[m]> Hmm.. but patch was only 3 lines of +MGINFO(..) logging. It was concluded by us both that it worked (at least with pre-HF). And the order of args mentioned was only good to have.
09:29:42 <sech1> afungible[m] it makes not sense to sweep_all such small outputs because it only reduces the final amount. So wallet ignores them because adding them increases fee more than their value.
09:29:49 <sech1> I think wallet2 has a check for this
12:31:32 <afungible[m]> Interesting! So, since combining outputs increases the total weight (in bytes) & thus the fee increases (a net loss to user beyond intended)?
12:31:32 <afungible[m]> Btw, the small amount was only a sample. If an output is below fee margin, the problem still occured.
12:31:32 <afungible[m]> e.g. with "sweep_all index=0,1,2,3 <addr>", I'd have assumed it sweeps all index specified as given by user, with a warning if potentially fees are greater than intended.
12:31:32 <afungible[m]> Coz "sweep_all" name isn't justified otherwise and amounts in those outputs are lost forever in history imho 🙂 
12:57:31 <moneromoooo> Did you set the relevant threshold to 0 ? Something like something-fractional-something in monero-wallet-cli. Just "set" will show the list.
12:59:24 <moneromoooo> Or to 1. Can't recall the semantics for that setting.
12:59:41 <afungible[m]> * Interesting!
12:59:41 <afungible[m]> Though I still didn't get it. Coz, the negligible amount was only a sample. If any output is below fee margin & we had enough total balance, the problem still occured.
12:59:41 <afungible[m]> e.g. with "sweep_all index=0,1,2,3 <addr>" here, I'd have assumed it sweeps all index specified as given by user, with a warning on potential fees.
12:59:41 <afungible[m]> Coz amounts in those outputs are lost forever in history imho 🙂  anyways, if it's all as designed, who am I to say.
13:00:32 <afungible[m]> moneromoooo: I'll try that & let you know. Thanks.
13:26:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> `set ignore-fractional-outputs 0`
13:26:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> From moo's comment
14:29:28 <soderzhanie[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> `set ignore-fractional-outputs 0`
14:29:28 <soderzhanie[m]> > 
14:29:28 <soderzhanie[m]> > From moo's comment
14:29:28 <soderzhanie[m]> Hello. You told me that i2p and tor are not added to monero, so that there is no branching of the network. How then does bitcoin and gostcoin work and not branch out?
14:30:25 <moneromoooo> By added, do you mean "work with" or "bundled" ?
14:30:47 <moneromoooo> Monero works with tor/i2p, though it might not be super easy. Help there is welcome.
14:31:10 <moneromoooo> Bundled, IIRC the monero GUI bundles an i2p router.
15:07:48 <soderzhanie[m]> What??
15:08:05 <soderzhanie[m]>  monero GUI has i2p router?
15:08:41 <soderzhanie[m]> But monerod don't sync blockchain via i2p))))
15:10:17 <soderzhanie[m]> moneromoooo: 
15:42:00 <moneromoooo> The chain is public, it's best synced via clearnet, unless you want your ISP not to know you're using monero.
15:56:01 <soderzhanie[m]> I use the most anonymous cryptocurrency. Do you think I want the provider to know about this?
15:56:40 <soderzhanie[m]> Even Bitcoin (!) can be synchronized via i2p
15:57:43 <soderzhanie[m]> Probably at the mention of monero, you need to write not anonymously but "anonymously"
15:58:00 <soderzhanie[m]> In " "
15:59:29 <soderzhanie[m]> You don't even take the initiative to embed i2pd. Although the development team is available and all the details can be clarified
16:00:41 <soderzhanie[m]> I set up monerod with i2p and it's more like a pacifier for a baby than a real increase in anonymity
16:01:23 <soderzhanie[m]> moneromoooo: ofrnxmr: 
16:02:21 <soderzhanie[m]> sgp: sgp_ (New Account: @sgp:magicgrants.org) @sgp_:matrix.org: sgp_ (New Account: @sgp:magicgrants.org) @sgp_:monero.social: 
16:11:31 <soderzhanie[m]> fluffypony: fluffypony_: hey baby, how is your kovri?? Why dont work? Orignal said hi for you
16:11:34 <moneromoooo> Well, if you don't want your ISP to know, then use tor (or i2p). If your problem is that you do not know *how*, then ask in #monero.
16:11:50 <moneromoooo> I myself use a proxy vm to be 100% sure nothing leaks.
16:12:04 <moneromoooo> kovri's abandoned AFAIK.
16:15:39 <nikg83[m]> <soderzhanie[m]> "You don't even take the initiati..." <- Feel free to do a pr 
16:35:04 <sgp[m]> <soderzhanie[m]> "Even Bitcoin (!) can be synchron..." <- Monero can be synced over both Tor and i2p
16:37:51 <sgp[m]> @soderzhanie:matrix.org if you ping everyone again, you'll be removed. This is the wrong channel for dumb drama, etc. If you're polite, then #monero:monero.social . If you want to be rude, then not there either. This channel is for legitimate dev discussion only. Thank you.
16:42:26 <soderzhanie[m]> Can Monerod be synchronized via i2p? Then tell everyone how to do it, because we tried to disable the clearnet connection and the height remained unchanged) then one of the admins said that new blocks come only via the clearnet)
16:44:39 <tusko> You must have not diabled the clearnet connection methinks
16:44:52 <tusko> otherwise how did any packets reach you by it?
16:45:04 <soderzhanie[m]> Adding anonymous inbound makes it possible to connect in parallel, but what's the point of it if you can't enable only i2p mode or only tor
16:46:15 <soderzhanie[m]> tusko: As it turned out, monerod sends transaction data via i2p, but not blocks
16:46:18 <moneromoooo> I don't know about i2p, but one of my nodes is tor only. In any case, better documentation would always be good if you're going to try it out.
16:47:56 <soderzhanie[m]> tusko: And how do you think I should turn off the clearnet leaving i2p?
16:49:35 <tusko> Well, you could do this with some clever iptables rule
16:50:07 <moneromoooo> No. You're doing it wrong. Use a proxy VM. You want to proxy *all* data if you want to hide usage from your ISP.
16:50:18 <tusko> ^
16:50:19 <selsta> You can send transactions over I2P (`--tx-proxy`), you can't sync over it since I2P doesn't have exit nodes. You can sync over Tor (`--proxy`).
16:50:47 <moneromoooo> Monero's builtin tor use is designed to to tx only for speed reasons.
16:51:07 <soderzhanie[m]> moneromoooo: Tor is easier to set up, because it has output nodes and this solves the problem of outgoing connections. But i2p does not have and as a result you will not be able to connect to clearnet nodes via i2p
16:51:15 <moneromoooo> Anyway, ask in #monero as I said. I suggest Qubes OS if you want to control what your ISO sees (monero or otherwise).
16:52:49 <soderzhanie[m]> selsta: YEEEES
16:53:33 <soderzhanie[m]> Do you understand the problem
16:54:38 <soderzhanie[m]> moneromoooo: But for some reason bitcoin doesn't have such problems, right?
16:56:10 <soderzhanie[m]> With bitcoin and gostkoin, synchronization is possible everywhere
16:58:02 <selsta> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/i2p.md
16:58:07 <fr33_yourself[m]> <moneromoooo> "Monero's builtin tor use is..." <- This makes sense and I don't want to sound like I'm whining, but wouldn't it be a good idea to have fully contained Tor / I2p use in case the worldwide feds outlaw monero and start targetting clear net nodes? Or how would this play out?
16:58:46 <soderzhanie[m]> The speed of i2p has grown a long time ago. But you are still talking about the separation of the network
16:58:48 <selsta> >Therefore, using I2P alone without other networks may make a node more susceptible to Sybil attacks.
16:59:12 <selsta> that was one of the reasons why only sending transactions over I2P was added and not full node support
17:00:55 <fr33_yourself[m]> fair enough
17:01:12 <selsta> it's also explained here: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md
17:02:46 <tusko> Its true, you might get Sybil'd because there aren't enough legit i2p nodes so you'd probably pick some bad ones on average. Seems a little paternalistic though
17:09:23 <soderzhanie[m]> You find reasons not to add anonymity. In the settings, you can specify the peers for the initial connection. What's the problem with creating several of your peers and publishing them?)))
17:10:08 <soderzhanie[m]> Nodes from the Monero community
17:14:48 <moneromoooo> There are pros and cons. Pros are basically easier to get it running, cons are it's vulnerable to leaks and requires maintaining when the net code changes.
17:15:37 <soderzhanie[m]> Nodes from the monero community and the addition of the b32 blacklist solves the problem
17:16:13 <moneromoooo> Keepin it separate is just safer. Don't redo the work of people who are good at it, probably badly.
17:17:21 <moneromoooo> It sounded good at first. Automatic tor
17:18:48 <moneromoooo> Same as using Qubes. Leave isolation to software designed for this, and use software normally.
17:19:13 <moneromoooo> Hardening software sounded good at first.
17:20:00 <moneromoooo> But it's more brittle, more work, and ultimately a losing battle compared to relying on something whose job it is and which it does well.
17:20:19 <soderzhanie[m]> I want to be calm when installing monero. Rather than running around and repairing privacy holes
17:20:26 <moneromoooo> But, again, documentation to help people who want to do it this way would be nice if you want to do that.
17:20:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tlrd --proxy=127.0.0.1:9050 to sync the blockchain over tor exit nodes (clearnet but over tor. Incoming connnections dont work)
17:20:40 <moneromoooo> Yes! You're getting it :)
17:21:16 <moneromoooo> Now I run whatever program, and I know it's 100% tor, even if I've not studied it.
17:21:44 <soderzhanie[m]> Thoughts of "everything is so good" have never led to good
17:23:46 <soderzhanie[m]> I don't trust Tor.
17:24:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Moneromoo =/= tormoo
17:24:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-offtopic:monero.social anyway
17:24:35 <soderzhanie[m]> Tor is an imitation of privacy. Especially when you consider its creators and sponsors (DARPA)
17:24:58 <moneromoooo> OK, #monero for such stuff :)
17:25:25 <moneromoooo> But documentation patches when you have something you like here please
17:25:33 <moneromoooo> (or github)
17:26:46 <tusko> openssl had big vulnerabilities that were only recently discovered
17:28:12 <soderzhanie[m]> Since tor is not anonymous, I want to see full i2p integration. Do you see what is happening in the world? The countries are at war with each other economically and politically. Each state controls the flow of money and monitors who does what. Don't you think the slowdown is hitting monero users right now?
17:30:21 <moneromoooo> #monero, last hint before I cannot kick you due to no ops but would.
18:15:11 -xmr-pr- rbrunner7 opened issue #8687: Removing the "trap" of not importing 'serialization/string.h' when usi...
18:15:11 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8687
19:22:10 <afungible[m]> <moneromoooo> "Did you set the relevant..." <- This works. I've updated the ticket https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8480#issuecomment-1365384271 with a screenshot, should others find it helpful. I rest my case 🫡
20:52:20 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> <soderzhanie[m]> "I don't trust Tor." <- Any good reasons? Many of my nodes got flagged running official software... Don't think this happens on I2P
20:55:56 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Having I2P as backup censorship resistance would be nice if people use it more. Tor some times smells fishy 
21:01:17 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> <soderzhanie[m]> "Tor is an imitation of privacy..." <- Depends v3 onion routing seems fine , but as I said they use filter lists for malicious nodes which can be anyone those people don't like. 
23:28:49 <hyc> my nodes run both tor and i2p