18:21:20 <Guest56> hi
18:21:51 <Guest56> Are there any resources containing the actual math used in Monero?
18:22:26 <Guest56> The most optimal resource would be a Python script showing how various cryptographic primitives work.
18:23:41 <Guest56> If there is anyone who really knows the math, please let me know. I am looking at the src on github, but all the c/c++ code heavily obfuscates what is going on.
18:24:53 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Guest56: This may be enough: https://web.getmonero.org/library/Zero-to-Monero-2-0-0.pdf
18:26:05 <Guest56> m-relay that looks like a good start!
18:28:11 <Guest56> I read there was a critical bug which also was present in CryptoNote and various other CT based coins, allowing double spending. IIRC the exploit relied on changing the preimage of a transaction in a certain way that would allow up to 8 double spends, again this is fixed by now, but I wondered why it would allow 8 double spends, not more or less.
18:28:59 <Guest56> The bug maybe has the name: "invariant failure" or "burn bug"
18:30:51 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Burn bug is different from double spending AFAIK. Here's the patched double spend vulnerability: https://www.getmonero.org/2017/05/17/disclosure-of-a-major-bug-in-cryptonote-based-currencies.html
18:34:19 <Guest56> Thanks.
18:34:31 <Guest56> Who is the author of getmonero.org?
18:35:25 <Guest56> Probably maintained by the developer of Monero?
18:35:51 <Guest56> I assume: Nicolas van Saberhagen
18:36:30 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> getmonero.org is maintained by the Monero Core Team. It's the most official website
18:36:46 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> No, not maintained by him
18:37:22 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> For more questions like this, you can ask in #monero
18:41:27 <Guest56> m-relay thanks again
18:47:59 <moneromooo> Nicolas van Saberhagen is (one of) the presumed author of cryptonote, from which monero forked. He was never involved in monero AFAIK.
18:48:37 <moneromooo> I think he was involved in bytecoin, the first currency that got created from cryptonote.
18:49:15 <geonic> moneromooo: any opinion on who should be the next website maintainer
18:49:28 <geonic> there are a few proposals up
18:49:35 <moneromooo> Not Nicolas van Saberhagen.
18:49:40 <geonic> (:
18:49:42 <moneromooo> Not me.
18:49:55 <geonic> Diego?
18:49:56 <moneromooo> That's about the size of it.
18:50:03 <moneromooo> Is that... rehrar ?
18:50:13 <geonic> yes. The other candidate is monerobull
18:50:29 <moneromooo> I have no particular opinion on these two.
18:50:35 <geonic> and rottenwheel if we count the trolls
18:50:35 <geonic> ok
18:50:48 <CTCL_FAILURE> moneromooo thanks, AFAIK the Github of CryptoNote was forked from Bytecoin which then moved to another Github https://github.com/bcndev/bytecoin
18:50:54 <geonic> thank you
18:51:00 <moneromooo> Not rottenwheel. Too hard to guess the likelihood of malice.
18:51:29 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic calling someone troll. Another one that needs a mirror!
18:51:30 <CTCL_FAILURE> IDK if CryptoNote is maintained anymore and if bytecoin is useful.
18:52:31 <moneromooo> AFAIK bytecoin is not useful, it was a scam. Cryptonote evolved a "easily fork your own bytecoin clone" tool, which made it sonewhat popular.
18:52:51 <moneromooo> your own cryponote clone, I mean.
18:53:18 <moneromooo> CN did get a fair amount of updates after monero forked from it.
18:53:54 <CTCL_FAILURE> Hm, so CryptoNote should also allow me to fork my own coin, right?
18:54:17 <moneromooo> In any case, I believe monero to be *far* more advanced that cryptonote now, so I don't think CN is useful unless you wnat to tinker/learn.
18:54:21 <moneromooo> Yes.
18:54:37 <CTCL_FAILURE> Only to learn.
18:54:56 <moneromooo> Then CN is the best one to use, it's simpler, only basic ring sigs.
18:55:04 <CTCL_FAILURE> Obviously Monero is way advanced with all the resouces 10 years later lol.
18:55:40 <CTCL_FAILURE> I'll fork CN and look at the code.
18:57:17 <CTCL_FAILURE> Are there resources on how to build CN and test things like signing a transaction?
18:59:26 <m-relay> <j​effro256:monero.social> *taps room banner*
19:00:47 <CTCL_FAILURE> I know, I know, it was worth a try though.
20:35:59 <CTCL_FAILURE> How do stealth keys technically work?
20:36:25 <m-relay> <j​effro256:monero.social> Good question for #monero room
20:36:43 <CTCL_FAILURE> ... Is this not for devs?
20:36:57 <CTCL_FAILURE> Can someone define what is suitable for devs?
20:37:33 <CTCL_FAILURE> I am asking about Ed25519 scheme here, not the fundamentals...
20:38:35 <m-relay> <j​effro256:monero.social> this room is for development, not general information
20:42:25 <m-relay> <s​tarlingfarchecker:monero.social> element noob here. How does one join the #monero room.
20:47:03 <CTCL_FAILURE> I don't know if this works but can you click on " #monero "?
20:49:55 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> starlingfarchecker: Search for monero in the monero.social matrix server or click this:  #monero:monero.social
21:00:20 <m-relay> <s​tarlingfarchecker:monero.social> Thank you 😊