00:04:47 <nahnahnah722828[> <selsta> "yes you see the fee before..." <- I just want to know one more thing. The person running the node, can’t see the transaction you’re making either right ? 
00:04:47 <nahnahnah722828[> (Transaction amount & sender address & receiver address) ?
00:05:33 <selsta> yes, but they can link the transaction id to your ip address
00:11:01 <nikg83[m]> <selsta> "yes, but they can link the..." <- Why don’t we make tx broadcast similar to localnode while it can sync/getdecoys from localnode? 
00:11:01 <nikg83[m]> Wallet connects to seednodes, get other node IPs and just broadcast it using dandelion++ 
00:11:01 <nikg83[m]> Also maybe even force all broadcast of tx over tor/i2p by default when using local or remote node
00:11:18 <nikg83[m]> * > <@selsta:libera.chat> yes, but they can link the transaction id to your ip address
00:11:18 <nikg83[m]> Why don’t we make tx broadcast similar to localnode while it can sync/getdecoys from remotenode ? 
00:11:18 <nikg83[m]> Wallet connects to seednodes, get other node IPs and just broadcast it using dandelion++ 
00:11:18 <nikg83[m]> Also maybe even force all broadcast of tx over tor/i2p by default when using local or remote node
00:12:08 <selsta> because you would need to run a daemon for that
00:12:57 <selsta> the wallet can't connect to the network, find peers and then broadcast the transaction because it's a wallet and not a node
00:13:02 <nikg83[m]> * > <@selsta:libera.chat> yes, but they can link the transaction id to your ip address
00:13:02 <nikg83[m]> Why don’t we make tx broadcast similar to localnode while it can sync/getdecoys from remotenode ? 
00:13:02 <nikg83[m]> Wallet connects to seednodes, get other node IPs and just broadcast it using dandelion++ 
00:13:02 <nikg83[m]> Also maybe even force all broadcast of tx over tor/i2p by default when using local or remote node ; broadcast over clearnet should be made optional 
00:13:42 <nikg83[m]> selsta: P2p part can’t be ported over in wallets ? Skipping all sync part
00:17:41 <selsta> adding all kind of p2p code to the wallet because some people are too lazy to run their own node or find a trusted node won't happen
00:17:51 <selsta> wallet and daemon are separate for a reason
00:19:57 <nahnahnah722828[> <selsta> "yes, but they can link the..." <- What does the transaction ID contain ? Also, why doesn’t the Monero gui wallet allow you to connect to a node via Tor to protect your IP?
00:20:21 <selsta> nahnahnah722828[: it does allow you to connect via Tor..
00:20:42 <selsta> Settings -> Interface -> Socks5 Proxy
00:20:47 <selsta> you have to start Tor yourself
00:21:01 <nahnahnah722828[> Downloading the full blockchain is a pain in the ass, most users don’t have time/energy for that. Also it seems like it will become worst once Seraphis comes through, as it is expected to increase the blockchain size
00:21:20 <selsta> you can check what a transaction contains on a block explorer
00:21:43 <selsta> the whole point of Seraphis is to increase ring size **without** significantly increasing blockchain size
00:22:13 <selsta> whoever claimed that on Reddit didn't understand Seraphis in the first place
00:23:47 <selsta> nikg83[m]: you can start the daemon in `--no-sync --bootstrap-daemon-address auto` then you can theoretically do what you described
00:29:54 <nahnahnah722828[> Last question, before you can create a new wallet on the monero GUI, it asks you to either run your own node or connect to someone else’s node. 
00:29:55 <nahnahnah722828[> Is there any risk with generating a new wallet while being connected to someone else’s node ?
00:31:00 <nikg83[m]> <selsta> "nikg83: you can start the daemon..." <- That’s nice, didn’t know 👍
00:32:39 <nikg83[m]> > <@nahnahnah722828:matrix.org> Last question, before you can create a new wallet on the monero GUI, it asks you to either run your own node or connect to someone else’s node. 
00:32:39 <nikg83[m]> > 
00:32:39 <nikg83[m]> > Is there any risk with generating a new wallet while being connected to someone else’s node ?
00:32:39 <nikg83[m]> Remote node is only for sync/broadcast tx , wallet keys/seed is generated/stored locally 
00:33:11 <nahnahnah722828[> nikg83[m]: Wallet keys & seed are always generated and stored locally, no matter what you do, no matter what node you connect to ?
00:33:17 <nahnahnah722828[> Just need 1000% confirmation :P
00:33:19 <nikg83[m]> nahnahnah722828[: Yes
00:34:13 <selsta> nikg83[m]: but I said theoretically because some code changes would be required, currently it gets broadcasted locally + through the bootstrap node
00:34:23 <selsta> because of these troll nodes that dropped tx
00:40:35 <nahnahnah722828[> So if you’re using a simple node using Tor, you really don’t lose any privacy/security.  
00:40:35 <nahnahnah722828[> Since it doesn’t give away your view key, the only thing a malicious actor could get is a Tor ip, and a transaction ID. They can’t see the sender’s address, receiver, or amount.
00:40:35 <nahnahnah722828[> Why isn’t this encouraged ???
00:42:44 <nahnahnah722828[> <selsta> "the whole point of Seraphis is..." <- check the other monero dev matrix server, they say it does increase the size 
00:47:38 <selsta> having 50% larger transaction while increasing the ring size from 11 to 128 won't make the blockchain suddenly unsyncable, while significantly increasing privacy
00:48:18 <selsta> the current pruned blockchain is less than 40GB, and that is over 6 years of transaction data
00:48:23 <selsta> or around 40GB
00:49:06 <selsta> nahnahnah722828[: simple mode doesn't work together with Tor, you have to select advanced mode and manually connect to a remote node
00:50:13 <nahnahnah722828[> selsta: The other guy said it works with Tor. When is Tor integration coming c
00:50:16 <nahnahnah722828[> * > <@selsta:libera.chat> nahnahnah722828: simple mode doesn't work together with Tor, you have to select advanced mode and manually connect to a remote node
00:50:16 <nahnahnah722828[> The other guy said it works with Tor. When is Tor integration coming ?
00:51:13 <selsta> The GUI works with Tor, but you have to start Tor manually and you also have to use advanced mode and set it up in settings
00:51:38 <nahnahnah722828[> selsta: Someone on Reddit said the Monero GUI is currently 144gb. Many other people expressed concerns that it’s only going to grow exponentially from there with the hard forks that are coming.
00:51:38 <nahnahnah722828[> Hence the need for Tor on simple mode
00:51:57 <nahnahnah722828[> * > <@selsta:libera.chat> the current pruned blockchain is less than 40GB, and that is over 6 years of transaction data
00:51:57 <nahnahnah722828[> Someone on Reddit said the Monero GUI is currently 144gb. Many other people expressed concerns that it’s only going to grow exponentially from there with the hard forks that are coming, making it too big for most users.
00:51:57 <nahnahnah722828[> Hence the need for Tor on simple mode
00:52:33 <selsta> it is 40GB when you sync a pruned node, which should be the default
00:52:40 <nikg83[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/issues/2274 when 🤔
00:53:27 <selsta> nahnahnah722828[: hard forks won't make the blockchain grow exponentially, no idea who claimed that
00:53:31 <nahnahnah722828[> nikg83[m]: We need Tor integration In simple mode ASAP. This is a top priority.
00:54:01 <reeemuru[m]> fund the bounty 🤗
00:55:04 <nikg83[m]> reeemuru[m]: There is a bounty for this ? Whole design/integration? A ccs would be funded in days if someone comes ahead to do it 
00:55:20 <nahnahnah722828[> selsta: read this thread, most of the monero community on Reddit is suggesting the future updates will do just that https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/smtc0w/pros_and_cons_of_moneros_potential_seraphis/hw1benq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
00:55:37 <selsta> selsta: that proposed design is way too complicated in my opinion
00:55:41 <selsta> nikg83[m]: ^
00:55:42 <reeemuru[m]> this is for i2p
00:55:43 <reeemuru[m]> https://bounties.monero.social/posts/32/i2p-baked-into-the-monero-gui
00:55:47 <reeemuru[m]> make one for tor
00:55:52 <reeemuru[m]> in gui
00:57:04 <selsta> nahnahnah722828[: hardforks won't make a blockchain grow exponentially, that is nonsense
00:58:05 <nikg83[m]> Not enough ppl know if these bounties, someone willing to do it with a ccs will surely get eyeballs n get funded
00:58:39 <nikg83[m]> selsta: Yah can be made simpler, fewer options but tighter integration for ease of use would be nice 
00:58:50 <nikg83[m]> s/if/of/
00:59:08 <reeemuru[m]> I'm still new to working on gui so not sure how long it will take me to figure it out.
00:59:37 <selsta> tor is probably easier to integrate
00:59:54 <nahnahnah722828[> selsta: Here are a couple comments from the Monero community on Reddit :... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c642eb905b511971b7d333efec0b4122e465de2d)
01:00:32 <selsta> I stopped reading reddit for a reason :D
01:01:45 <nikg83[m]> selsta: I like how feather has integrated it, but masses use gui as of now 
01:01:48 <reeemuru[m]> selsta: lulz me too
01:02:30 <selsta> nahnahnah722828[: current monero transactions are way smaller than pre bulletproof transactions so the calculation in the comment is wrong
01:03:03 <selsta> but yes, monero transactions will be larger than bitcoin transaction, that's the price you pay for privacy
01:03:36 <reeemuru[m]> I can take a look at gui tomorrow to get an idea of what tor integration would be user-friendly
01:03:36 <reeemuru[m]> selsta is there like a group dedicated community nodes over we can hard code?
01:04:39 <selsta> reeemuru[m]: group? a list of nodes?
01:05:02 <reeemuru[m]> * nodes over TOR we can
01:05:50 <selsta> monero.fail lists a couple tor nodes
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01:06:15 <nahnahnah722828[> This is the response from the monero core team member, what does he mean exactly ?
01:06:34 <nahnahnah722828[> I don’t understand what he’s saying
01:06:40 <nahnahnah722828[> If someone could explain
01:07:43 <nahnahnah722828[> s/saying/trying to say/
01:08:52 <selsta> he said the same I said
01:09:05 <selsta> monero transactions were significantly larger in size in 2017
01:10:06 <selsta> so a significant part of the current blockchain size are due to these large old transactions
01:10:46 <selsta> the person in the calculation assumed that a seraphis transaction has the same size as a monero transaction from 2017 which is wrong, they will be significantly smaller
01:11:06 <nahnahnah722828[> selsta: Ah ok, i see 
01:11:24 <selsta> basically he said for his calculation to make sense he would have to travel back in time to 2017
01:12:36 <nahnahnah722828[> Either way, really looking forward to tor integration in simple mode. We need a viable solution for people who don’t want to sync the whole blockchain
01:12:43 <nahnahnah722828[> s/tor/Tor/
01:12:52 <nahnahnah722828[> * Either way, really looking forward to Tor integration in simple mode. 
01:12:52 <nahnahnah722828[> We need a viable solution for people who don’t want to sync the whole blockchain 
01:17:03 <nioc> wait wut, it's not 2017?
01:17:37 <nioc> sorry for the interuption, I just woke up
01:18:27 <nahnahnah722828[> > <@reeemuru:matrix.org> I can take a look at gui tomorrow to get an idea of what tor integration would be user-friendly
01:18:27 <nahnahnah722828[> > selsta is there like a group dedicated community nodes over TOR we can hard code?
01:18:27 <nahnahnah722828[> Keep me updated on this 
08:01:26 <Guest80> hello
08:01:48 <Guest80> is possible to use qt6 and not qt5 anymore
08:02:21 <Guest80> generally is faster
11:00:18 -xmr-pr- JRB202 opened issue #3872: Bug in Address book when adding entries
11:00:18 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/issues/3872
15:16:16 <nahnahnah722828[> Is downloading the blockchain in prune mode on the gui what most people here do ?
15:25:21 <nioc> I don't even use the GUI   
15:25:25 <nioc> although pruning uses less storage space, the time for the initial sync is the same 
23:04:39 <selsta> .merges
23:04:39 -xmr-pr- 3829 3868 3869
23:33:28 <nahnahnah722828[> Any security drawbacks to using prune mode (1/3 of blockchain)
23:33:35 <nahnahnah722828[> * of blockchain)?
23:40:33 <nioc> not that I am aware of