23:12:41 <moneroextremist[> someone answer me please
23:12:43 <moneroextremist[> So the hard fork is happening in July. Will you have to download the new Monero GUI update from getmonero.org and reinstall the program all over again, or will you be able to do any necessary update straight from the GUI ?
23:12:43 <moneroextremist[> I really don't feel comfortable and safe downloading the GUI again to have to put my seed in again. I would feel much better if we could just do the update straight from the GUI, or continue using the GUI without having to make any updates. It's a stressfull process.
23:12:56 <moneroextremist[> will we have to download the gui all over again for the fork ? please someone tell me we wont have to
23:16:38 <moneroextremist[> selsta: u here
23:16:42 <selsta> yes
23:16:49 <moneroextremist[> ok so
23:16:54 <moneroextremist[> the monero gui will download a brand new file on the computer
23:16:57 <moneroextremist[> then you open the file
23:16:59 <moneroextremist[> and whats on the file?
23:17:02 <moneroextremist[> is it a brand new monero gui?
23:17:11 <moneroextremist[> if so, will the previous monero gui be overwritten
23:17:44 <moneroextremist[> Furthermore, when you say "you dont have to enter you seed again, you can open the same wallet file" do you suggest we copy our wallet file from the monero gui directory and just paste it on the new gui directory
23:19:31 <moneroextremist[> selsta: bump
23:19:56 <selsta> wait lol
23:20:22 <selsta> did you use the installer or the .zip?
23:20:34 <moneroextremist[> im using the monero gui on macos
23:20:45 <moneroextremist[> .dmg file
23:20:48 <selsta> ok, then open the .dmg
23:20:55 <selsta> drag and drop it over the existing GUI
23:20:57 <selsta> and you are done
23:21:33 <moneroextremist[> that will just overwrite my previous monero gui though ???
23:21:45 <moneroextremist[> and ill lose alll my data unless i saved my wallet file somewhere
23:21:49 <moneroextremist[> ???
23:21:54 <moneroextremist[> selsta: ?
23:22:26 <selsta> no, the wallet is saved in a different place
23:22:34 <moneroextremist[> where is it saved
23:22:41 <selsta> it won't overwrite the wallet file, just the monero-gui
23:22:53 <moneroextremist[> should i make a copy of the wallet on my desktop just to be safe
23:22:56 <selsta> by default it's in your home folder and then Monero
23:23:17 <moneroextremist[> how do i put my wallet on the new GUi once downloaded ? will it detect my wallet automaitcally
23:23:26 <moneroextremist[> What home folder?
23:23:37 <moneroextremist[> how do i access it on macos
23:23:42 <selsta> if you open Finder it's the default folder
23:23:59 <selsta> it will detect it automatically
23:24:09 <moneroextremist[> theres no default folder... is it on documents, downloads, what is it on
23:24:45 <moneroextremist[> i opened finder
23:24:51 <moneroextremist[> its not anywhere there on finder 
23:25:24 <selsta> ok, open monero-gui
23:25:34 <moneroextremist[> yes i opened it
23:25:41 <selsta> then open your wallet, go to settings -> info
23:25:48 <selsta> and then click on wallet path
23:25:53 <moneroextremist[> wallet path
23:25:54 <selsta> it will open the folder
23:25:54 <moneroextremist[> i found it
23:26:03 <selsta> there it's saved
23:26:04 <moneroextremist[> i found it
23:26:59 <moneroextremist[> theres my wallet name, its called "blue". Then theres "blue.keys" "blue_view" and "blueviewonly.keys"
23:27:00 <moneroextremist[> which one is the wallet
23:28:23 <selsta> the .keys file
23:28:30 <selsta> the other is the wallet cache
23:28:36 <selsta> save both files
23:28:46 <moneroextremist[> selsta: should i make a copy of them on my documents folder
23:28:52 <moneroextremist[> can i copy all of them on my documents folder to be safe
23:29:06 <selsta> yes
23:29:18 <moneroextremist[> selsta: btw another question
23:29:31 <moneroextremist[> when i download the new gui through the app do i have to verify the binaries
23:29:49 <selsta> no, it will verify it automatically
23:30:06 <moneroextremist[> how will it verify if its being overwritten?
23:31:26 <moneroextremist[> selsta: pls explain
23:32:03 <selsta> it gets verified during download
23:32:35 <moneroextremist[> within the GUI?
23:32:36 <moneroextremist[> but is it not possible for an attacker to inject malware into this
23:32:44 <moneroextremist[> theyve done it in the past for electrum
23:33:46 <selsta> we made it quite secure
23:34:01 <selsta> you can also verify it yourself if you want after it got downloaded
23:37:15 <moneroextremist[> selsta: please can u teach me how to do it on macos the only tutorial i found was for windows on the main website
23:38:13 <selsta> you don't have to if you download it inside the gui
23:39:28 <moneroextremist[> selsta: but if i want to do verify the hashes anyways and be extra safe please just teach me how
23:40:36 <selsta> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-allos-advanced.html
23:40:38 <selsta> search for macos
23:40:45 <selsta> or just mac
23:49:29 <moneroextremist[> <selsta> "https://www.getmonero.org/..." <- he steps for both Linux and Mac are the same. From a terminal, get the SHA256 hash of your downloaded Monero binary. As an example this guide will use the Linux, 64bit GUI binary. Substitute monero-gui-linux-x64-v0.15.0.1.tar.bz2 with the name of the binary that you downloaded in section 4.1.
23:49:29 <moneroextremist[> shasum -a 256 monero-linux-x64-v0.15.0.1.tar.bz2
23:49:31 <moneroextremist[> this step got me super confused
23:49:34 <moneroextremist[> s/he/The/
23:49:48 <moneroextremist[> What do they mean by 'Substitute monero-gui-linux-x64-v0.15.0.1.tar.bz2 with the name of the binary that you downloaded in section 4.1.'
23:49:58 <moneroextremist[> i dont get it
23:50:32 <selsta> you have to enter the name of the .dmg
23:50:44 <selsta> monero-gui-mac-v0.17.3.1.dmg for example
23:51:02 <selsta> Open Terminal
23:51:12 <selsta> enter: shasum -a 256
23:51:23 <selsta> and then drag and drop the .dmg into the Terminal
23:51:31 <selsta> so that it looks like:
23:51:42 <selsta> shasum -a256 ~/Downloads/monero-gui-mac-v0.17.3.1.dmg
23:51:50 <selsta> then press enter and compare it with the number in the hashes.txt file
23:54:34 <moneroextremist[> selsta: why do they say you have to "substitute" then?
23:54:54 <moneroextremist[> if all you have to do is drag and drop why do they say  you have to substitute
23:55:05 <selsta> substitute means replace
23:55:21 <selsta> you replace monero-gui-linux-x64-v0.15.0.1.tar.bz2 with monero-gui-mac-v0.17.3.1.dmg in the example
23:55:37 <selsta> you can either type it yourself or you can drag and drop it
23:55:42 <moneroextremist[> yes but why are you replacing e monero-gui-linux-x64-v0.15.0.1.tar.bz "with the name of the binary" ?
23:55:46 <moneroextremist[> its super confusing
23:55:59 <moneroextremist[> why not just say "drag and drop the download"
23:55:59 <moneroextremist[> why do they have to say replace
23:56:07 <moneroextremist[> it adds so much confusion for no reason
23:57:12 <moneroextremist[> Either way, is that all you have to do ? selsta 
23:57:42 <selsta> did you try it?
23:57:55 <moneroextremist[> ok
23:58:03 <moneroextremist[> i just re-read the whole thing
23:58:09 <moneroextremist[> and now i get it
23:58:23 <moneroextremist[> i was super confused at the 'substitute' line, but after your explanation , i re-read the thing and now i get it
23:58:32 <moneroextremist[> i was super confused on the context