00:23:54 <selsta> there won't be a redesign lol
00:24:02 <nikg83[m]> instead of overhaul of gui, would be better put all efforts in feather wallet & make it replace gui 😅 
03:38:21 <gingeropolous> yeah i know there won't be a redesign, but my point was like.... whata the hotness these days?
03:43:58 <kinghat[m]> lots of space
03:57:03 <gingeropolous> like, just open, empty space?
03:57:51 <kinghat[m]> ya, lots of it.
03:58:43 <gingeropolous> nonsense. an ideal GUI is like on spaceteam :)
04:00:02 <kinghat[m]> i think it became the "in" thing then they just rolled it into being "touch friendly" so it stuck.
05:50:26 <moneroextremist[> <selsta> "there won't be a redesign lol" <- y not
06:02:53 <selsta> a redesign just for the sake of it is pointless
06:04:22 <selsta> and it's not only costly, you also have to find a professional UI designer and Qt/QML expert that want to work for the CCS, these people don't appear out of nowhere
06:46:34 <moneroextremist[> selsta: alright, although i truly believe its time for a redesign, current ui is outdated and doesnt give monero the justice it deserves (imo). I am dreaming of a Monero wallet that has the same UI as wasabi wallet
06:46:52 <moneroextremist[>  * selsta: alright, although i truly believe its time for a redesign, current UI is outdated and doesnt give Monero the justice it deserves (imo). I am DREAMING of a Monero wallet that has the same UI as wasabi wallet.
06:52:44 <selsta> moneroextremist[: https://wasabiwallet.io this one?
06:53:00 <selsta> looks like a normal WPF application
06:55:47 <selsta> did you checkout feather wallet? it has a more normal desigb
06:55:49 <selsta> design
06:56:58 <moneroextremist[> yes im talking about this one
06:57:46 <moneroextremist[> selsta: i would much rather use the official monero gui from a security standpoint, feather wallet is only a project managed by 2 devs where as the monero gui has a much stronger dev force and much stronger security
06:57:57 <moneroextremist[> > <@selsta:libera.chat> did you checkout feather wallet? it has a more normal desigb
06:57:57 <moneroextremist[>  * i would much rather use the official monero gui from a security standpoint
06:58:31 <moneroextremist[>  * i would much rather use the official monero gui from a security standpoint, much more dev resources than feather wallet. they only have 2 devs and i dont really trust them
06:59:32 <selsta> I mean I like programs like Wasabi wallet design wise but I wouldn't consider it modern. It looks like a regular Windows program.
07:00:27 <moneroextremist[> selsta: to me the design of wasabi wallet is just 100,000,000x better than the GUI. i am literally dreaming of having this UI for a monero wallet
07:00:35 <moneroextremist[> s/for/in/, s/a/the/, s/wallet/gui/
07:00:50 <moneroextremist[>  * to me the design of wasabi wallet is just 100,000,000x better than the current GUI design. i am literally dreaming of having this UI in the monero gui
07:02:54 <selsta> did you ever try the CLI wallet?
07:03:48 <selsta> it's the most secure wallet
07:04:20 <moneroextremist[> i never tried it
07:04:26 <moneroextremist[> thats the one with the command lines?
07:04:31 <selsta> it might fit your needs better
07:04:32 <moneroextremist[> im fine with the gui security wise
07:04:41 <moneroextremist[> i dont trust any other wallet other than the gui
10:15:58 <tribogaturypi[m]> Помогите, куда обратиться в поддержку если зависла транзакция и нет средств на счету?
13:12:03 <gingeropolous> for the record, feather wallet was created by someone that worked on the monero GUI for a while
21:42:25 <moneroextremist[> hey selsta 
21:45:22 <selsta> hi
21:47:56 <moneroextremist[> i promise this is the last time i bug you about this, if we don't get a UI update this year, its gonna mark over 5 years since the last UI update. If we reach that point, half a decade without a ui upgrade, how far are we going to go ? 6, 7, 8 ,9 years with the same UI ?
21:47:59 <moneroextremist[> selsta: 
21:48:05 <moneroextremist[>  * i promise this is the last time i bug you about this but if we don't get a UI update this year, its gonna mark over 5 years since the last UI update. If we reach that point, half a decade without a ui upgrade, how far are we going to go ? 6, 7, 8 ,9 years with the same UI ?
21:51:20 <selsta> you are asking questions that are impossible to answer :D
21:51:48 <selsta> there is no UI redesign planned currently, I don't know what will happen in the future
21:52:15 <selsta> like I said, what you want is basically feather wallet
21:52:27 <selsta> a regular design
21:54:14 <moneroextremist[> selsta: i think feather wallet is great, and definitely much better than the GUI but its not anywhere as good as wasabi wallet when it comes to "regular design" wallets
21:54:29 <moneroextremist[> What I am proposing is not a regular design wallet, but rather a modern, sleek, clean UI for the GUI
21:55:29 <selsta> Are you a Windows user?
22:33:16 <jeffro256[m]> moneroextremist Do you have anything specific in mind? If you do, maybe you could open a CCS, design the elements, write the Qt components, and submit a PR
22:34:39 <jeffro256[m]> Or even better, do you have a specific gripe with the UI?
22:36:23 <nikg83[m]> jeffro256[m]: Maybe offtopic, how hard is it for a web designer to work with qt ? asking for a friend 
22:40:55 * jeffro256[m] uploaded an image: (63KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/MOJZHxZkgLyfvTGGgyVmZcAa/dt940922dhc0.gif >
22:42:32 <selsta> jeffro256[m]: he wants a typical Windows WPF application, similar to Wasabi wallet
22:45:40 <selsta> nikg83[m]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QML this has some examples of QML, which is used for the frontend. C++ is used in the backend.
22:47:42 <jeffro256[m]> What are the benefits of WPF apps over Qt? Do they tend to be more performant on Windows systems? I'm guessing they also match the system theme to a certain extent
22:48:10 <selsta> they will look more native on Windows
22:49:25 <jeffro256[m]> Or moneroextremist do you just want a more sparse UI?
22:50:58 <selsta> To be precise, Wasabi uses .NET 6, which is cross platform. I don't know what they use for the UI but it looks similar to WPF.
22:51:59 <jeffro256[m]> Isn't Qt supposed to make the app look native anyway?
22:53:55 <selsta> There is Qt Widgets and QML. Widgets should look close to native and QML allows you to create your own UI designs.
22:54:43 <selsta> e.g. Feather uses QtWidgets and monero-gui uses QML
22:56:29 <selsta> moneroextremist[: is this Wasabi wallet? https://www.wasabiwallet.io/images/wasabi-wallet-laptop.png?ver=1.1.0
22:56:38 <selsta> Or this? https://camo.githubusercontent.com/87670baee566fcbfb0e5dcf8a03c4059b9d28abdbeb82a40771b822b6c0302bb/68747470733a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f67493735454b752e706e67
22:57:33 <selsta> The first one looks like a regular Windows application. The second one has a more "fancy" UI. Maybe you meant the second link.
23:26:03 <moneroextremist[> <selsta> "moneroextremist: is this..." <- yes im talking about the first one that looks regular
23:49:14 <moneroextremist[> but i also said i wanted a modern look on the gui, wasabi is a regular look. either way i like them both.
23:49:53 <moneroextremist[> <jeffro256[m]> "moneroextremist Do you have..." <- yes i have something specific in mind, however im not a UI designer :(