08:39:59 <monerobull[m]> 61f2adec1edfc787394acfc3a3ed682e15ca40bea9c8a1d867ddd8d10771c7ca
08:43:01 <monerobull[m]> gui related, i swear
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08:53:47 <monerobull[m]> looks like guy paid on v17, transaction showed failed and displayed balance as refunded but was actually sent and subsequent attempts to retry failed because balance was actually too low (but displayed balance still the same)
08:54:18 <monerobull[m]> guy doesnt have the v17 transaction logs anymore
15:02:56 <metawill[m]> I have installed the latest verion of the GUI, ans since then, though I haven't changed any setting, the application cannot synch to a daemon
15:03:01 <metawill[m]> So I cannot send XMR
15:03:44 <metawill[m]> I was on a remote mode, so I move to a local mode, but still nothing
15:05:52 <metawill[m]> My balance is displayed though
15:08:12 <moneromooo> What height is your daemon on ?
15:08:42 <metawill[m]> 2660080
15:11:13 <moneromooo> Restart it with --log-level 1, see what error(s) it prints.
15:12:35 <metawill[m]> ok, hold on
15:14:00 <metawill[m]> I have restarted, so the?
15:14:04 <metawill[m]> It's still the same
15:14:17 <metawill[m]> [15/08/2022 17:12] 2022-08-15 15:12:52.223 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.0-release)... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/e93195be5a2547c6bf5530cd33484873899961f1)
15:15:03 <moneromooo> That is most definitely not log level 1.
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15:16:20 <metawill[m]> See the screencapture
15:18:36 <moneromooo> I do not. You might be using some matrix specific thing which doesn't show up on IRC.
15:19:35 <metawill[m]> Last time I went there for support,the screen capture sent were seen
15:19:46 <metawill[m]> So, I'm blocked, can you help though?
15:20:12 <moneromooo> If you see an error in the verify category after restarting with log level 1, paste it here.
15:22:14 <metawill[m]> This is what I pasted above, log level 1:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9c99ed829dd7cefb01f46eb9fb03bc5c92e66de7)
15:25:49 <metawill[m]> [15/08/2022 17:23] 2022-08-15 15:23:45.464 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.0-release)... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9dba5951957c7883c602adeefdcc41aef0c6f462)
15:31:29 <selsta> metawill[m]: it seems you are synchronizing, what is the exact issue?
15:32:08 <metawill[m]> It never synchronizes succefully, so I cannot use my wallet
15:32:34 <metawill[m]> A warning keeps stating " "Waiting on daemon synchronization to finish
15:33:01 <selsta> because synchronizing a local node will take a while
15:33:24 <selsta> do you want to sync a local node or do you just want to send a transaction?
15:34:11 <metawill[m]> After a previoous issue (height number) I passed on distant node, and it worked
15:34:17 <metawill[m]> I want to send a transaction
15:34:33 <metawill[m]> Can I go back to distant node?
15:35:15 <metawill[m]> Your collegue gave me instructions for that though, I don't know how to do this now
15:35:36 <selsta> Go to Settings -> Node, select remote node
15:35:56 <selsta> take a remote node from this comment https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/issues/3989#issuecomment-1214412781
15:36:15 <metawill[m]> Ok, so a message asks if I want to force stop of keep the local node running
15:36:20 <metawill[m]> What do I do?
15:36:48 <selsta> click ok
15:36:51 <selsta> or yes
15:37:06 <metawill[m]> I keep it running? or Force stop?
15:37:23 <selsta> force stop it, it does not matter
15:37:48 <metawill[m]> Ok I just did that
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15:38:29 <metawill[m]> Can you see the screen capture?
15:39:02 <metawill[m]> a remote mode info is asked
15:39:36 <selsta> address: selsta2.featherwallet.net
15:39:38 <selsta> port: 18081
15:39:46 <selsta> login and password empty
15:39:55 <selsta> then click add
15:40:49 <metawill[m]> why selsta as your name?
15:41:02 <selsta> because I run it, I linked you a comment with different nodes
15:41:06 <metawill[m]> what selsta is?
15:41:30 <monerobull[m]> Use a node like xmr-node.cakewallet.com:18081
15:42:47 <metawill[m]> I'm in Advanced mode (Remote node)
15:43:22 <selsta> yes
15:48:29 <metawill[m]> So, if I stay on local node, how long should it take to synchronize?
15:49:13 <selsta> it depends on your operating system and hardware
15:49:28 <selsta> can take between 12h and multiple days
15:49:56 <metawill[m]> but in any case, it should do, or are the some settings to adjust?
15:50:36 <metawill[m]> Do you mean I have to let myu computer opened for that amout of time?
15:50:53 <metawill[m]> How come, as it is local?
15:51:58 <selsta> it only synchronized when your computer is open, yes
15:55:48 <metawill[m]> Do I have to stay in advande mode (Local node)?
15:56:42 <selsta> Do you want to sync your local node or do you want to connect to a remote node?
15:58:43 <metawill[m]> I want to be able to send XMR
15:59:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can send xmr using a remote node
16:00:44 <metawill[m]> yes, but I need a secured address and port
16:01:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> The address and port that selsta gave you are to a remote node that is run by them. Selsta is a trusted member of the community
16:01:19 <metawill[m]> ok
16:01:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can trust selsta2.featherwallet.net port 18081
16:03:30 <metawill[m]> Ok, thank you very much. What about this page? Is that safe?
16:03:31 <metawill[m]> https://monero.fail/?nettype=mainnet
16:03:44 <selsta> everyone can add their node on this page
16:03:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
16:04:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> There are trusted nodes on there,
16:04:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sethforprivacy, cake wallets, selsta2, but also a lot of random and even malicious nodes 
16:04:17 <metawill[m]> I see, so on what web page can I eventually find a certified secured distante node?
16:05:13 <selsta> ideally you would run your own node, but that will take a while until synced
16:05:24 <selsta> if you can't do that you should connect to a node from someone you "trust"
16:06:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/feather-wallet/feather/blob/master/src/assets/nodes.json#L20
16:06:24 <metawill[m]> Ok, but with all due respect,meaning no offense,  how do I know I be sure I can trust you?
16:06:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> This list is pretty good
16:06:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> You cant trust me.
16:06:33 <selsta> you can't know
16:06:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Which is why its always best to run your own node 
16:07:26 <metawill[m]> Ok! So, if I send money from a malicious distant mode, the money can be stolen, correct?
16:07:55 <metawill[m]> Even if the address is specific to a destination?
16:07:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nope.
16:07:58 <moneromooo> You cannot send money from a node. The node does not have the money.
16:08:24 <moneromooo> A malicious node you send through can prevent you from sending, but not steal your monero.
16:08:25 <metawill[m]> So, what happens if I send money from a malicious distant node?
16:08:38 <metawill[m]> Ok, thank you!
16:08:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> They can choose to not relay the tx, can raise your suggested fees, or slightly alter your decoy selection
16:08:59 <moneromooo> There is ONE possible way they can "steal", but tha'ts social engineering really:
16:09:33 <moneromooo> They can make it look like you got monero when you didn't, and somehow get you to send it back (using real funds this time).
16:09:53 <metawill[m]> what is the benefit of such a malicious guy then? Do they get the difference of the raised fee?
16:10:02 <moneromooo> Good point about the fee... I was wrong, they can steal :D Though it means you have to confirm wihtout looking at the fee I guess.
16:10:13 <moneromooo> If they're also a large miner.
16:10:28 <moneromooo> They do not have to send the tx to other nodes. They keep it, and mine.
16:11:01 <moneromooo> Might take a while, but even if they have only 1% of the network, they'll mione a blck a day at least.
16:11:25 <selsta> the GUI warns about large fees now
16:12:14 <metawill[m]> selsta: ok!
18:15:44 <metawill[m]> Thank you very much, everything worked fine!
18:16:17 <selsta> you can still sync your own node if you want and switch between local and remote node
18:38:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yokohoma manufacture date