17:05:49 <selsta> blokzincir[m]: what's the benefit of entering the password first?
17:05:56 <blokzincir[m]> Hello. I have suggest for feature of monero gui. Can I write the my suggest of feature to here?
17:05:56 <selsta> seems like just moving things around
17:10:02 <blokzincir[m]> selsta: Sir, think of it like the feature we come across when creating new private 12 words wallet in metamask for example.
17:10:22 <selsta> I never used Metamask.
17:10:28 <selsta> Is there a clear benefit?
17:11:38 <blokzincir[m]> For example, when clicking on the option to create a new wallet in the safepal software wallet, a security password must be entered. like him sir.
17:12:40 <blokzincir[m]> I wish I could tell you better, sir, if we were together. What I wrote to you may sound silly, but it is not.
17:14:01 <blokzincir[m]> it could be safer sir
17:14:25 <blokzincir[m]> * is not silly.
17:18:23 <selsta> ok, if you want you can open an issue here: https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/issues
17:18:23 <blokzincir[m]> Sir, custom words appear directly when new wallet is created in monero gui. I don't think it should be. The security password must be prompted before it appears. Special words should then be censored. Finally clicking the arrow option and special words should appear. I hope I was understandable.
17:18:30 <selsta> but add a description on why it is safer
17:18:55 <selsta> I don't know what's the point of a security password? The seed is empty anyway?
17:19:05 <selsta> And what words are censored?
17:19:39 <blokzincir[m]> Sir, for example, if you create a metamask new wallet, you can understand what I mean. Only for example.
17:21:13 <moneromoooo> When you create a wallet, you just entered your password already, no ?
17:22:38 <blokzincir[m]> Think of the password as a pin code. Sir.
17:22:50 <blokzincir[m]> moneromoooo: Where?
17:24:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think what you want is 👁️ symbol to show the words and a 📋 to copy them?
17:24:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im assuming youre worried about "over the shoulder" attacks? 
17:26:20 <blokzincir[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I think what you want is 👁️ symbol to show the words and a 📋 to copy them?
17:26:20 <blokzincir[m]> > 
17:26:20 <blokzincir[m]> > Im assuming youre worried about "over the shoulder" attacks? 
17:26:20 <blokzincir[m]> Do you understand the feature proposal I said, sir?
17:26:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think so. You want s password on that screen - why?
17:28:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont understand why
17:28:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xyproblem.net
17:28:46 <moneromoooo> Where... did you enter your password ? If so, on the computer you just created your wallet on.
17:28:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Xyproblem.info
17:28:49 <blokzincir[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: It would be better.  For example, when you accidentally click on create a wallet, new seeds will not appear directly and in vain.
17:29:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> How in vain? Why would you not want to see them?
17:29:46 <moneromoooo> Well, if it was an accident, you don't care about them.
17:30:10 <moneromoooo> So we want to consider the "not an accident" case here.
17:30:33 <moneromoooo> And surely if you create a wallet not by accident, you input your password already.
17:30:44 <moneromoooo> I assume the GUI wallet creates wallets with passwords. It'd be silly not to.
17:31:07 <moneromoooo> Or does it print the seed, then ask for a password, maybe ?
17:32:25 <blokzincir[m]> : Sir I love the monero community very much.  The feature suggestion I mentioned is available in some wallets.  For example, trust wallet, safepal, metamask.
17:32:33 <blokzincir[m]> s/://
17:32:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> moneromoooo: This, yws
17:32:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> It allows creating a new seed before entering a password 
17:33:17 <moneromoooo> OK, then I guess the request makes sense then. Or, better, ask for a password first.
17:33:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Screen 1 name wallet and shows seed
17:33:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Screen 2 set password 
17:34:27 <moneromoooo> And a hide/show button seems like a good idea. The only reason I can see for wanting to see the seed is if you want to make a manual copy. Many people won't.
17:34:29 <blokzincir[m]> first password and second  the create new wallet.
17:35:01 <moneromoooo> Well, manual of copy to another VM I guess.
17:35:07 <moneromoooo> s/of/or/
17:35:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Should follow the same order as cli
17:35:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. Wallet name and password 
17:35:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2. Show seed
17:35:41 <moneromoooo> Ooooh, reminds me of the old anti-van eck phreaking font by... marcus... something... could use that :D
17:35:51 <blokzincir[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Should follow the same order as cli
17:35:51 <blokzincir[m]> > 1. Wallet name and password 
17:35:51 <blokzincir[m]> > 2. Show seed
17:35:51 <blokzincir[m]> Yes sir
17:37:42 <blokzincir[m]> 1. Wallet name and password. Pasword like the pin code.
17:37:42 <blokzincir[m]> 2. Sencored seed
17:37:42 <blokzincir[m]> 3. Show seed
17:38:04 <blokzincir[m]> s/Sencored/Censored/
17:39:45 <blokzincir[m]> Do I be understand? Sir.
17:57:00 <plowsof> moneromoo "The only reason I can see for wanting to see the seed is if you want to make a manual copy. Many people won't." -> soon(tm) users will be forced to backup their seed upon creating a wallet to complete the "pls enter the nth word(s)" screen https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/pull/3878
18:00:33 <blokzincir[m]> plowsof: Sir, I believe my suggestion would be better if the feature is in monero gui.
18:01:25 <blokzincir[m]> plowsof: Sir, should I write my suggestion in the link you sent?
18:09:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof> "moneromoo "The only reason I can..." <- Annoying
18:14:02 <plowsof> Too many people dont back it up - they ruined if for the rest of us :(
18:14:56 <blokzincir[m]> Sir, Is my suggestion be exists or be not?
18:15:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> (I bypass by remembering the first 4 words and retrying until it asks for one of them).
18:16:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes blokzincir: 
18:16:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> imo it should ask for password and wallet name on a screen _before_ showing the seed
18:17:25 <blokzincir[m]> I hope my suggestion will in monero gui, sir. :(
18:17:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> :) *
18:18:17 <blokzincir[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: why did u laugh, sir?
18:20:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> I didnt laugh, I fixed your frown from :( to :)
18:21:47 <blokzincir[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Sir. Are you developer of monero gui?
18:23:34 <blokzincir[m]> Is my suggestion reasonable or unreasonable?
18:23:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Reasonable 
18:31:08 <blokzincir[m]> I wonder if my suggest will come true or not?