20:58:59 <not_thankful_for> selsta: hey man long time no talk. Is there any big update planned for the monero GUI
20:59:46 <selsta> hi, we will add macOS ARM binaries with the next release
20:59:49 <selsta> otherwise no
21:00:15 <not_thankful_for> selsta: Nice, so the GUI will now be natively working on M1 without needing to do anything ?
21:00:22 <selsta> yep
21:00:29 <not_thankful_for> That's amazing 
21:00:44 <selsta> i had to add a workaround so that daemon performance won't be as good as it could be
21:00:44 <not_thankful_for> Is there massive improvements in speed? im currently using the intel version on macos
21:00:56 <not_thankful_for> s/macos/m1/
21:01:11 <selsta> i didn't do any benchmarks
21:02:33 <not_thankful_for> selsta: alright. Btw wanted to ask you this for a while. So say I received 10 xmr from Exchange A, send those 10 xmr to another account on the GUI, and send it back to Exchange A under the new account. Is that enough to prevent the EAE attack?
21:02:52 <not_thankful_for> Or do I need to send it to myself many more times?
21:05:12 <selsta> I'm not the best to ask these specific questions
21:05:27 <not_thankful_for> selsta: but in your opinion what do you think?
21:11:18 <selsta> as far as i know sending to yourself once is not enough in this specific scenario
21:11:40 <selsta> but you should ask someone who is more familiar with the attack
21:12:22 <not_thankful_for> selsta: would sending it to myself 5 times be enough ? (across different accounts) in your opinion
21:12:29 <not_thankful_for> selsta: i know, but i trust your judgment as well :P
21:12:31 <selsta> and there is no binary enough / not enough, it's all about probabilities and who you are trying to protect yourself from
21:13:03 <not_thankful_for> selsta: protect myself from chain analysis
21:15:56 <not_thankful_for> selsta: can you instead give me how many times i should send it to myself to "reasonably" protect myself from chain analysis ? i trust your judgment
21:17:41 <selsta> if you send to yourself 5 different times and wait a random amount of time in between each time sending (don't send yourself 5 times in 2 hour, wait for example 12h to one day between each) then yes you should be protected against this attack based on this comment https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/1673#issuecomment-312968452
21:18:15 <not_thankful_for> selsta: thanks 💯 !!!
21:18:57 <not_thankful_for> Does it matter if I send it to different accounts, or can I keep sending it to the same account ? selsta 
21:21:00 <selsta> it depends, do you send your whole balance?
21:21:18 <selsta> churning each output separately is the most private way but the GUI currently doesn't support this
21:21:22 <not_thankful_for> selsta: Yes, or just the amount that I want to mix
21:21:59 <not_thankful_for> Well im using the GUI, so usually i'll just send a bit of the amount I want to mix or the whole balance
21:22:28 <selsta> I would send it to a different account the first time and then you can just churn inside that other account
21:22:40 <selsta> but keep in mind i might be giving you bad advice lol
21:23:54 <not_thankful_for> selsta: ok, so Account 1 (that received from exchange) sends funds to account 2, 3, 4, 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?
21:24:16 <not_thankful_for> > <@selsta:libera.chat> I would send it to a different account the first time and then you can just churn inside that other account
21:24:16 <not_thankful_for>  * ok, so Account 1 (that received from exchange) sends whole balance to account 2, 3, 4, 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?
21:24:29 <not_thankful_for>  * ok, so Account 1 (that received from exchange) sends whole balance (or like 2 xmr for instance) to account 2 then send to 3, 4, 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?
21:24:50 <not_thankful_for>  * ok, so Account 1 (that received from exchange) sends whole balance (or like 2 xmr for instance) to account 2 then send to account 3, 4 and 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?
21:26:10 <not_thankful_for>  * ok, so Account 1 (that received from exchange) sends 3 xmr to Account #2 then send the 3 xmr to account 3, 4 and 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?
21:26:11 <not_thankful_for>  * ok, so Account 1 (that received funds from exchange) sends 3 xmr to Account #2 then send the 3 xmr to account 3, 4 and 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?
21:26:27 <not_thankful_for>  * ok, so Account 1 (that received funds from exchange) sends 3 xmr to Account #2. Then, send the 3 XMR to account 3, 4 and 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?
21:27:47 <selsta> once you have it from account #1 in account #2 you can just send it to yourself in account #2 without needing 3, 4, 5
21:28:07 <not_thankful_for> selsta: Oh really
21:28:17 <not_thankful_for> so i could just keep sending it to account #2 over and over again ?
21:28:29 <not_thankful_for> Thats a lot easier
21:28:52 <not_thankful_for> * it to myself on account #2