09:01:17 <m-relay> <t​he-whocrazy76:matrix.org> so, now that you've registered with this new server, do I have to make any changes on my end? I am confused
11:25:44 <gingeropolous> so is there any interest in removing simple mode?
14:16:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes
14:17:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not a simple removal though. As you know, simple mode isnt a wallet feature, its a gui hack and a node feature
14:20:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> So we'd be removing bootstrap-daemon=auto, but not bootstrap-daemon=insertAddress. 
14:20:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> and gui would have to redesign simple bootstrap mode to allow manual input of a node, and to remote node, and for "simple" mode to stop running a node (bootstrap + no-sync hack) and to just use advanced mode + configure a remote node. 
14:20:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> annoying changes to implement imo
14:20:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "and to remote node" << delete that
14:24:05 <dEBRUYNE> Arguably then we would need to specify a list of default nodes 'trusted by the community'
14:24:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> No
14:25:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> GUI is a "reference" software. We shouldnt include trusted features (community nodes) or hackish features (simple mode) that are centralized or potentially privacy and security harming
14:26:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If someone wants "community nodes" they should use another wallet, like cake, stack, feather or some other wallet that provides nodes trusted by the wallet provider
14:26:57 * moneromooo has this twitter-in-wallet flashback...
14:27:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Introducing "community trusted" nodes to gui is just asking for all of those wallets to be MITM or ddosed
14:28:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> imagine shipping community nodes with cli. Yeah, same difference here
14:29:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I would assume that the majority of nodes running with --public-node (used for bootstrap) are spy nodes
14:31:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> list of nodes "trusted by the community" << even cake and monerujo had node.moneroworld.com in their node lists, and moneroworld was pointing to spynodes for yrs
14:49:30 <dEBRUYNE> ofrnxmr: I agree with you in principal, but from a UX perspective not having a list of nodes to choose from will cause a lot of friction
14:50:26 <moneromooo> Please choose node type: [ ] centralized [ ] adversarial [ ] yours
15:04:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> :D