17:45:26 .merge+ 4714 17:45:26 Added 17:49:35 Thank you :)) 17:56:12 What happened to the Kraken API? Does it cost now if you want to use it? Account and login obligatory? Isn't available anymore? Doesn't give a rate for XMR anymore? 17:56:51 It only supports a few fiat currencies, and "we" would like to add more :) 17:57:12 You may be pleased to hear that CHF will now be supported as a currency option in the GUI. 17:57:20 Oh wow 17:57:30 @jpk68:matrix.org: But xmr is only trade(or 99% traded in usd)? 17:58:54 Not sure what you mean. The point is to have an option to show the user the fiat value of their XMR balance, in the preferred currency 18:00:11 My idea is probably fetch the usd price only, and fetch the fx conversion rate separately(which is also easy from google or whatever free source). Multiply the conversion rate, in this manner we can just support all available fiat) 18:00:20 In this case no need to touch the price api 18:01:39 If we rely on the price source to provide fiat prices, it will be very limited 18:01:43 and subject to changes 18:03:10 Also because monero is almost traded only in usd(through usdt or usdc), any price source that provides non-usd price is simply multiple to conversion rate, so why not do that by ourselves, and it will make the management easier 18:03:43 I think it's fine as-is. More specific fiat currencies can always be added later; feel free to suggest one 18:03:59 Adding more fiat currencies has been waiting too long anyways :) 18:11:07 Ok, I will try to work on this, is there any work has been done on this(like pr)? 18:11:55 Yep, the PR we're talking about would be this one: 18:11:55 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/pull/4714 18:31:30 Why was Kraken removed though? 18:32:09 ^ > <@jpk68:matrix.org> It only supports a few fiat currencies, and "we" would like to add more :) 18:32:40 It didn't support many fiat currencies, and keeping Kraken for USD/EUR while adding others for different currencies would be way more effort/code duplication 18:33:05 I think entropy's idea still makes sense - to keep kraken and then pull fiat exchange rates separately 18:33:42 CG and CC arent very good imo 18:33:53 There are far fewer free fiat price APIs than crypto ones. I have looked into this 18:34:12 hm 18:34:36 .merge- 4714 18:34:36 Removed 18:34:42 removing for now until the discussion is over 18:34:51 Which is why it doesn't make sense to remove Kraken 18:35:51 I don't get what your point is. Kraken does not imply the existence of free fiat APIs 18:36:50 Kraken works now, ostensibly. Removing Kraken is a regression. Especially when there are few other alternatives, usually of lower quality 18:37:02 CG reports $1.5 lower rhan kraken and over $2 below kucoin 18:37:09 It works for two currencies, yes 18:37:20 YES 18:38:17 We might need to simply adapt it so that the amount of settings change per provider. 18:38:20 Well, the change isnt groundbreakingly essential, so doesnt hurt to look further into fiat api 18:38:36 We have a lot of Kraken users who probably will find this is a negative change for them. 18:39:05 Fair point. 18:39:27 Not to make this sound like some dumb Marxist theory, but for those who don't use USD/EUR on a regular basis, the current state of affairs is not too helpful 18:40:32 I believe most people in this discussion do use those currencies, though :D 18:41:26 I said it before but my concern for the change is that Kraken is a real exchange and the others are aggregates, which have an opaque way of calculating the price. If we support both everyone is happy. 18:41:30 If currency == USD or currency == EUR, present Kraken and others as option. Else, present others minus Kraken as option 18:42:59 More generally, present each option for option in options if supported_currencies.contains(my_currency) 18:43:16 You make a good point; I can change it. It would be nice to get some reviews on the patch after, though, to avoid having to wait ~4 months again (the original PR was #4592) 18:43:31 It doesn't have to be complicated, but we should also not add UX regressions to simplify a bit of code 18:43:36 There are Reddit posts dating back to years ago, requesting GBP and such 18:44:52 Looks like Feather does indeed use USD as a pivot currency 18:49:49 Is it possible to use the equivalent of SetWindowDisplayAffinity(hwnd, WDA_EXCLUDEFROMCAPTURE) on the monero GUI window before it show the seed, when you go in the setting and choose the option to view the seed or when you first create the wallet? 18:49:49 And then set it to WDA_NONE after the user exited that part of the program. 18:49:49 What it essentially does is that if screenshot/capture function is been executed, said window don't show up in the capture result.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/rLuz9qwLMlNPTmdL ] 18:50:01 Are those other currencies lightly traded? If so are those prices accurate considering the probable time lag since last trade compared to the 90+ % that is traded in usd and eur? 18:50:24 Monero-GUI and Feather don't** 18:54:09 nioc: those currencies are probably all weighted off of the usd price.. probably 18:55:43 @ravfx:xmr.mx: I'm sure a correct patch for that will be accepted, LLM-generated or not 18:55:49 If it's submitted by you, of course 18:57:30 ofrn what does the api return if it's been 15 minutes since the last trade and the price has moved significantly? 19:08:04 coingecko api only updates every like 5 mins or smthn like that on the free tier 19:08:20 so its not live. not sure about kraken 19:09:15 i would assume that kraken reports the ... whats it called.. the mid price 19:09:38 which is mid price between bid and ask 19:37:04 from what sites that report prices show, kraken reports last trade whenever it occurs without lag 19:37:16 no idea if there are tiers 19:42:11 Alright, #4714 is updated. Looking forward to all the passionate review feedback ;)