01:58:25 <garth> Nice! Do you have a script or something to alert you to these milestones?
04:44:49 <scoobybejesus> tried to build on freebsd 13.0.  build failed in what appears to be the same way with `gmake` and `make`.  i'm just a monkey behind a keyboard, but here's a log w/ some hopefully relevant info before i go to bed.  https://paste.debian.net/1209504/
07:12:26 <sech1> garth no, it's semi-manual. I have a script to download data from monerod and then I run a script to find the block with highest diff
07:23:33 <sech1> Today I learned that someone owns 200 MH/s of RandomX hashrate: https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/204407/
09:05:58 <sech1> p2pool hashrate is over 2 MH/s
09:06:15 <sech1> we should mine a block in a few days at this speed
09:31:58 <sech1> almost 3 MH/s: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b32aea92/
09:32:21 <sech1> I barely qualify for 0.009370659848 XMR with my 30 kh/s in the next p2pool block, lol
12:28:28 <oliver_> BLOCK FOUND: main chain block at height 2437679 was mined by this p2pool
13:49:42 <hyc> my mac flaked out again, had to toggle wifi off and on
13:49:48 <hyc> what a piece of shit this thing is
14:00:09 <hyc> and of course, no wired ethernet port
14:02:10 <selsta> thunderbolt to ethernet toggle exists
14:02:19 <selsta> but costs $30 or so
14:02:34 <hyc> this thing has only 2 usb-c ports, nothing else
14:02:59 <hyc> and I doubt that going thru a usb-ethernet adapter will be more reliable than onboard wifi
14:03:22 <selsta> yea it's the same port
14:03:25 <sech1> wow, did we find a block already?
14:03:26 <selsta> thunderbold / usb4
14:03:59 <sech1> 6.931 MH/s, wow
14:05:21 <hyc> we got a block? my wallet is still zero. mebbe it fell out of the window while mac was disconnected
14:06:10 <sech1> probably
14:11:27 <hyc> now I have no p2pool peers
14:12:54 <sech1> Your node has always been very glitchy, my nodes were banning it left and right
14:13:05 <sech1> Payout confirmed: https://i.imgur.com/dGQi7yu.png
14:14:08 <hyc> yeah looks like it's still banned
14:14:22 <hyc> oh well. obviously can't run this on the mac
14:15:30 <gingeropolous> sech1> 6.931 MH/s, wow >>> wat?
14:15:46 <sech1> I think it's xmrvsbeast redirecting some of his hashrate
14:15:55 <sech1> or buying at miningrigrentals
14:16:02 <gingeropolous> ooh on p2pool
14:16:49 <sech1> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e771d205/
14:16:54 <sech1> 7.597 MH/s now
14:37:25 <garth> The hunger for p2pool is great
14:37:45 <hyc> funny that it didn't seem to catch on in btc
14:39:08 <hyc> is it ready for a reddit post inviting mainnet testers?
14:39:32 <garth> The coinbase for the first p2pool block (2437679) only has three outputs. Does that mean there were only three miners on p2pool?
14:40:10 <hyc> should be
14:40:13 <sech1> there were more
14:40:21 <sech1> I think hyc didn't get into PPLNS window
14:40:29 <hyc> right
14:40:50 <sech1> p2pool is at 8.7 MH/s now
14:41:20 <garth> Ok so four then? And if there are 1000 people mining on p2pool then the coinbase has 1000 outputs?
14:41:28 <sech1> yes
14:41:35 <garth> Wow interesting
14:41:56 <sech1> you need 4-5 KH/s with current p2pool difficulty to get into PPLNS window regularly
14:42:09 <garth> Right ok 
14:42:10 <sech1> lower hashrates will also get payouts, just not with every block found
14:42:26 <garth> Gotcha. Dude this is so great 
14:43:10 <garth> I’m proud to be in this channel when the first ever p2pool block was mined on mainnet. Unironically feel like a small piece of history is being written 
14:43:19 <sech1> damn, I think xmrvsbeast is moving everything he has now...
14:43:30 <sech1> 8.957 MH/s and growing
14:43:59 <hyc> i've got ~5kh now on 2 miners, no shares yet. 
14:44:11 <sech1> 9 MH/s
14:44:46 <hyc> gonna be back to the lottery for me :P
14:44:52 <garth> 0.3% of the hashrate 
14:45:20 <sech1> hyc difficulty is ~90 million now, at least it's a lottery you can win every day
14:46:39 <hyc> might plug in a phone or two now too
14:47:00 <sech1> btw you can set fixed difficulty for your miners in the latest code
14:47:18 <sech1> ./xmrig -u "x+10000" -o 127.0.0.1:3333
14:47:29 <sech1> to set diff 10000
14:47:30 <hyc> could build a very braindead simple android app now, wrapped around librandomx, just input a p2pool address
14:47:49 <hyc> no need for any other UI
14:50:08 <hyc> how are lower difficulty shares factored in then?
14:50:26 <sech1> they're not
14:50:32 <sech1> it's just for the peace of mind
14:50:54 <sech1> you know that your shares reach p2pool and eventually one of them will count as p2pool share
14:51:01 <sech1> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a27330fa/
14:51:08 <hyc> ah I see
14:51:12 <sech1> damn, 1.6 seconds to add a block to Monero blockchain?
14:51:33 <sech1> to be fair, xmrig is mining in background using all cores (Ryzen 5 3600 server)
14:51:40 <sech1> and that block was over 300 KB, 194 transactions
14:52:50 <hyc> difficulty still rising. are we going to brak another hashrate ath?
14:53:12 <sech1> difficulty of Monero?
14:53:18 <sech1> 316G, not so much
14:53:26 <sech1> it was 361G at ATH
14:54:13 <sech1> hmm, if it takes more than a second to add Monero block, it means block takes 1-2 seconds on each node to propagate
14:54:28 <sech1> and p2pool nodes propagate it immediately to everyone mining
14:54:38 <sech1> immediately = only after PoW check
14:55:29 <sech1> so just by connecting your Monero node to p2pool node, even without mining, you'll receive blocks faster
14:58:15 <sech1> so p2pool will improve overall responsiveness of the Monero network!
15:03:46 <hyc> sounds like monerod needs to be rewritten if it's being a bottleneck
15:04:51 <sech1> I don't know, maybe fluffy blocks get propagated quickly too
15:09:21 <nioc> Aren't all blocks fluffy o
15:09:34 <nioc> blocks?
15:10:06 <hyc> not necessarily
15:10:20 <hyc> if your monerod didn't see some txns, it will ask for a full block
15:10:34 <nioc> Thx
15:11:14 <hyc> I guess that should be a rare occurrence, for a txn not to have been received before the block arrives
15:20:10 <sech1> p2pool only mines transactions that are in dandelion++ fluff phase (broadcasted everywhere), so it should be a rare case
15:37:59 <nioc> will the current work being done on the daemon help speed up block propagation?  https://github.com/perfect-daemon
15:38:58 <selsta> not yet
15:44:45 <gingeropolous> <hyc> if your monerod didn't see some txns, it will ask for a full block >>> i thought it tries to fetch the missing txs?
15:50:03 <gingeropolous> ok, lets see how easy this is
15:51:54 <gingeropolous> ure all on mainnet now right?
15:53:11 <moneromoooo> IIRC, the daemon will list the txids it does not know about, and the sending node will resend the block along with those txes.
15:53:37 <moneromoooo> Well, indices of the txes in the block, technically.
15:53:51 <moneromoooo> And yes, mainnet.
15:54:06 <gingeropolous> yes i just refreshed the github page and saw new instructions :)
15:55:17 <sech1> and we already mined 1 block
15:55:59 <sech1> Side chain hashrate = 11.748 MH/s
15:57:06 <sech1> moneromoooo what about block propagation? Are fluffy blocks propagated ASAP or only after they're fully verified?
15:57:51 <gingeropolous> hrm, i assume --host is for daemon host. i have bound to differnt than home. we'll see/
15:58:08 <sech1> --host is for where you run monerod
15:58:17 <sech1> IP address
15:58:22 <moneromoooo> After verified.
15:58:39 <sech1> so in the paste above it took my monerod 1.6 seconds to verify it
15:58:41 <sech1> slow propagation
15:58:44 <moneromoooo> Doing it before would be a good way to amplify a DoS.
15:58:49 <gingeropolous> 2021-08-29 15:58:00.5548 ZMQReader transaction #1 in json-minimal-txpool_add failed to parse, skipped it
15:58:49 <gingeropolous>  >>> normal/
15:58:51 <gingeropolous> ?
15:58:58 <sech1> No
15:59:14 <sech1> did you build monerod from my branch?
16:00:24 <gingeropolous> naw, master. but i found problem. was attempting to use restricted rpc port by accident
16:00:40 <gingeropolous> ah, i need ure branch. i can read.
16:00:43 <sech1> you need to build it from my branch
16:00:52 <sech1> only monerod
16:01:08 <sech1> you can use wallet from the regular master or release-v0.17 branch
16:01:15 <sech1> I'm not trying to steal funds :D
16:02:06 <gingeropolous> lol. im wondering if i should run this on the same daemon thats barfing out rpc data for remote node users.
16:02:22 <gingeropolous> well, only way to find bugs i guess!
16:03:25 <sech1> if your daemon is lagging, there is a chance your p2pool shares will be rejected by other nodes
16:04:51 <sech1> for example, if Monero network increases height and your monerod does it 5 seconds after everyone, and in those 5 seconds you find a share... it won't propagate and only your p2pool node will know about it, so it will most likely be orphaned
16:05:23 <gingeropolous> fatal: remote error: upload-pack: not our ref 4c700e09526a7d546394e85628c57e9490feefa0
16:05:38 <sech1> miniupnp? annoying
16:06:06 <sech1> try p2pool-api branch then
16:06:18 <sech1> git checkout p2pool-api
16:06:49 <moneromoooo> if it's miniupnpc, git submodule sync
16:07:56 <sech1> after git checkout?
16:08:12 <gingeropolous> that did it. 
16:08:51 <gingeropolous> git checkout x, git submodule sync, git submodule init && update, make
16:09:32 <sech1> init && update is probably redundant after sync
16:09:55 <gingeropolous> i thought it was redundant after --recursive, but i don't know squat
16:11:39 <sech1> when it comes to using git, I'm a monkey
16:12:52 <selsta> git submodule sync && git submodule update --init --force --recursive
16:13:00 <selsta> usually fixes everything submodule related
16:14:04 <sech1> maybe fixing miniupnp link in release-v0.17 would be better solution... Just saying :D
16:14:14 <selsta> there is no bug
16:15:02 <sech1> there is a specific version of miniupnp, I know
16:15:03 <selsta> we can also change the miniupnp submodule to upstream in release branch, then it shouldn't be necessary anymore
16:15:15 <sech1> but switching from master to release gives this problem, so there is a problem
16:15:24 <selsta> it's just how git works
16:15:36 * sech1 went learning git-fu
16:16:37 <gingeropolous> nice. im up and running i believe
16:17:07 <gingeropolous> 26 minutes from start to finish. awesome stuff sech1 
16:17:26 <sech1> you didn't count monerod syncing :D
16:17:35 <gingeropolous> of course don't really have any idea if its all ok but ah well
16:17:44 <gingeropolous> my monerods syncd
16:18:01 <sech1> if your p2pool node doesn't spit out warnings then it's ok
16:18:21 <gingeropolous> i gotta forward any ports for full awesomeness?
16:18:32 <sech1> you can try to run "loglevel 5" command in p2pool console to check if there is really no warnings
16:18:41 <sech1> open port 37890 for incoming connections
16:18:56 <sech1> if you used port number from instruction on github
16:18:58 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7906
16:19:48 <sech1> what about reproducible build? Isn't the point of release branch to always have fixed versions for all dependencies?
16:19:54 <gingeropolous> my god this is so awesome. im mining on a monero p2pool
16:20:12 <selsta> sech1: not really, as you checkout a specific tag for reproducible builds
16:20:17 <selsta> not a branch
16:20:23 <sech1> ok
16:21:05 <nioc> a dream come true for gingeropolous :D
16:24:00 <gingeropolous> hrm. nestling this behind tor / i2p too much lag?
16:25:04 <sech1> bad idea
16:31:09 <gingeropolous> yzat
16:35:05 <selsta> this might speed up block propagation but it doesn't seem to be the bottleneck https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7803
16:35:08 <gingeropolous> RRRAAAAHHHHH! P2POOOOOL! When can we shout it from the rooftops
16:36:45 <sech1> bottleneck is transaction verification and the time it takes to update the physical blockchain LMDB on disc
16:40:20 <gingeropolous> estimate hr is based on same estimate calcs as other pool implementation?
16:40:42 <gingeropolous> i'll let it bake for a while and see what it says
16:42:19 <gingeropolous> is it worth configuring zmq on xmrig?
16:46:51 <sech1> estimate hashrate is based on your p2pool shares, so it's very approximate
16:47:15 <sech1> xmrig with zmq is more efficient, it will get blocks from monerod without delay
16:47:27 <sech1> that is, if you're solo mining
16:47:34 <sech1> you don't need to do it with p2pool
17:02:21 <gingeropolous> yeah, i was curious about p2pool and zmq. one of my xmrigs had zmq setup and i didn't change it, so its still using it i guess?
17:07:10 <sech1> it's using zmq only for direct connections to monerod
17:13:15 <gingeropolous> xmrig is?
17:14:57 <sech1> xmrig
17:15:08 <sech1> p2pool also uses zmq and also for direct connections to monerod
17:15:37 <gingeropolous> hrm. so if xmrig is configured to connect to the p2pool, but it still has the zmq connection to monerod, is that gonna make things not work right?
17:16:39 <gingeropolous> im getting these error ECONNREFUSED
17:21:56 <sech1> It's probably because I was restarting one of my nodes
17:22:12 <sech1> you tried to connect to it, it refused
17:22:43 <sech1> if xmrig connects to p2pool, it's not mining solo (from xmrig's perspective), so it won't use zmq
17:24:14 <gingeropolous> k. danke
17:35:34 <sech1> gingeropolous doesn't like cats :D https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/pull/5
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17:41:59 <hyc> someone remind me again why we have a bridge from a network primarily used for gaming
17:56:18 <hyc> got 1 share, yay
17:56:55 <sech1> told you, it's a better lottery :)
18:07:18 <gingeropolous> because all the cool kids are using discord hyc 
18:10:54 <moneromoooo> Also the pretty uncool ones, looks like.
18:44:11 <hyc> I've added 2 phones to my pool. an staggering increase of 550H/s
18:47:23 <hyc> hmmmmmmm. the charge time went up from 3.5hrs to 7hrs on this phone. that means the miner is eating more juice than the charger is putting out.
18:47:43 <hyc> so this is using more than 5W
18:48:17 <hyc> mebbe I should stop it until full charge and try again
19:15:14 <QuickBASIC> A lot of modern phones charge at higher than 5W are you sure that's the phone's max or just your charger?
19:15:53 <hyc> it is the charger
19:16:07 <hyc> of course I'm sure...
19:16:32 <QuickBASIC> My wife always steals one of my USB-C laptop chargers to charge her phone to get that sweet sweet extra 3W lol.
19:17:11 <QuickBASIC> So, I compiled p2pool and monerod on WSL2 and am running both, should I wait for p2pool to sync before connecting the miners?
19:17:21 <hyc> yes
19:17:28 <hyc> it says that in README already
19:17:43 <QuickBASIC> oh yeah. Okay lol. RTFM, QB, like jeez.
19:18:05 <sech1> WSL2? But you can compile native Windows binary
19:18:25 <QuickBASIC> Yeah, I don't know how to do that, so I was just using your instructions since I had Ubuntu already installed.
19:18:26 <sech1> in msys64 or Visual Studio
19:26:49 <QuickBASIC> Seems to be working (a whopping 850 h/s).
19:30:05 <QuickBASIC> But either way, it's running "natively" in WSL anyway via HyperV and I already had xmrig on one of my windows machines so it's running in Windows normally anway. This way if something weird happens I can just shut it down and delete it.
19:48:42 <moneromoooo> FWIW I always start the miner right after p2pool, always worked.
19:50:54 <sech1> it works right after start, but it won't mine on the correct chain until p2pool syncs everything
19:51:45 <moneromoooo> I see. Thanks.
19:54:05 <sech1> It's essentially solo mining until then, so there's still a chance it'll find a block...
20:33:19 <oliver_> another block found
20:33:37 <oliver_> 2437944
20:35:18 <hyc> woohoo. got a payout
20:36:12 <sech1> not me this time :(
20:36:30 <sech1> even with my 20+ KH/s, I didn't get any shares in 5 hours
20:36:39 <hyc> wow
20:36:53 <hyc> y'think the window is big enough?
20:37:29 <sech1> I should have 2-3 shares in window on average, this is probably bad luck
20:40:16 <hyc> sidechain 14MH
21:00:05 <garth> Wow 
21:28:34 <QuickBASIC> 'status' in p2pool shows Your hashrate (est) = 0 H/s even though I have a client connected. Is this an average computed over time so it's just not updated yet?
21:32:07 <sech1> it's from your p2pool shares, if you have 0 blocks it will show 0 h/s
21:37:15 <QuickBASIC> Ah I see. I wonder if it would be benificial to show the total hashrate coming in via the stratum server as well because for non-technical users like me, it might cause confusion.
21:56:13 <sech1> yes, it's on my todo list
22:09:56 <gingeropolous> so what happens if we increase the pplns window? what are the drawbacks?
22:13:53 <sech1> too much space used by coinbase transaction
22:15:30 <sech1> having 0 shares in PPLNS window is fine. It's not required to get payouts
22:16:07 <sech1> it usually happens when p2pool has high hashrate, so finding a share almost guarantees a payout
22:17:11 <sech1> low hashrate miners will run dry for a few days, then find a share and get 1 or maybe even more payouts in 6 hours
22:35:27 <garth> Has there ever been a coinbase on mainnet with multiple outputs before? Has this code functionality been planned before, just never utilized?
22:35:43 <garth> I can’t recall ever seeing it, that’s for surr
22:36:01 <garth> Had no idea such a cool thing was even possible 
22:36:41 <garth> Like, was this in the original CryptoNote code base?
22:38:21 <moneromoooo> There are loads of them, early on.
22:38:44 <moneromoooo> Every single one until v3 IIRC.
22:38:50 <moneromoooo> Except the first one.
22:42:33 <sech1> yes, but not to multiple wallets
22:43:00 <moneromoooo> How do you know ? :D
22:43:34 <sech1> unless someone went to great lengths to rewrite monerod code...
22:43:43 <sech1> and then mine a block
23:15:23 <garth> Why would anybody split the coinbase except for p2pool mining?
23:16:18 <garth> Splitting outputs into denominations?
23:19:35 <sech1> just open xmrchain.net and look at old blocks, before height ~1220000
23:20:00 <sech1> https://xmrchain.net/tx/336212d9d2f0560435ec7eb1a0432bd1690f4d2215008188beb7382d05572d96
23:54:12 <QuickBASIC> So is it possible in the future that p2pool mining will be integrated into the Monero GUI as an option instead of solo mining?