01:43:06 <xmrvsbeast[m]> <pauliouk> "yup theres a connection that..." <- raffle was shot, added some sanity checks, testing continues 😉
10:26:22 <Inge> It has probably been mentioned here before, but both CryptonightR and RX are included in Techpowerup benchmarks: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3000-overclocking-deep-dive-asus-rog-zenith-ii-extreme/8.html
10:38:58 <hyc> I lobbied with several review sites to add these to their benchmark suites
10:41:58 <DataHoarder> heh
10:43:30 <hyc> Well, RandomX is legit a thorough test of CPU+RAM performance
10:43:53 <DataHoarder> it is!
11:06:30 <pauliouk> and its something that quite a lot of people would like to see benchmarks of before making purchases
11:09:20 <pauliouk> there's sites like betterhash that'll show the various processors and their submitted speeds, but there's no guarantee someone hasn't just photoshopped a screenshot before submission
11:10:05 <pauliouk> I'd quite like to see a more confirmed way of hashrates being provided - such as mining to a side chain until enough information on the hashrate has been collected
11:16:10 <jaska087> xmrig benchmarks are reliable
11:17:15 <DataHoarder> reliable, but can be edited
11:17:42 <DataHoarder> even so pauliouk mining to a side chain can be done using multiple miners
11:17:57 <pauliouk> yup I thought about that after clicking submit heh
11:18:41 <pauliouk> I guess it would take a custom version of xmrig, setup to mine to say p2pool, but then xmrig would submit the findings to the remote host with some sort of validation
11:32:12 <DataHoarder> it's all client side pauliouk 
11:32:15 <DataHoarder> it can be changed
14:37:46 <hyc> I suppose with a digitally signed app you can prove that the client hasn't been tampered with
14:38:03 <DataHoarder> that is to trust the signature
14:38:18 <DataHoarder> you can still run whatever, and change the results
14:38:43 <DataHoarder> for it to be trusted you would need to run it from start to end in secure mode, from bootloader to OS/application
14:39:02 <hyc> no.... not if the client generates the signed result
14:39:28 <DataHoarder> the client can then reverse engineer such result, and change it to something else and sign
14:39:30 <hyc> but sure, you could run it inside a VM with a slowed down clock
14:39:42 <hyc> to get massive ops per econd
14:39:44 <hyc> second
14:40:54 <DataHoarder> oh yeah didn't even think there is no certified time, you could at least get around that with the centralized clock signatures
14:43:43 <hyc> well... benchmarking sites have been around for ages, nobody is doing that
14:44:53 <DataHoarder> well, multiple users provide their own :)
14:45:03 <sech1> xmrig validates benchmarks by running always online - it checks the time passed between sending a RandomX seed and receiving the final hash to confirm hashrate
14:45:21 <DataHoarder> vs one single tester that has a prototype
14:45:43 <DataHoarder> couldn't that be faked by just throwing external hashrate at it?
14:46:05 <DataHoarder> though indeed, effort
14:48:30 <hyc> sech1: what do you mean, it checks the time taken for every individual hash iteration?
14:48:49 <hyc> or for a batch of N iterations, same thing
14:48:50 <sech1> no, to calculate 1M hashes
14:48:55 <hyc> ok
14:49:18 <sech1> so it confirms the hashrate, but it's possible to submit wrong number of threads or CPU name
14:49:25 <sech1> *to report
14:50:01 <hyc> yeah, you could tweak the source to report whatever you want
14:50:46 <hyc> and I guess there have been some instances of people "leaking" faked benchmark results
14:51:12 <hyc> claiming to be engineering samples of processors etc. but totally bogus
15:24:21 <Inge> I'm a bit sad nobody has beat my xmrig score yet
15:30:36 <DataHoarder> for a specific processor, or the AMD sample Inge ?
15:31:19 <pauliouk> I'm fairly sure I have a record on xmrig for the lowest hashrate from a AMD processor :)
15:31:29 <pauliouk> poor old athlon didn't stand a chance.
15:46:33 <sech1> I still hold a record for Ryzen 5 5600X hashrate there
15:47:43 <sech1> 8921.88 h/s. That machine can do 8830 h/s 24/7 with my daily overclock
15:54:43 <Inge> DataHoarder: Threadripper 3970x yeah
16:05:47 <\x> <@hyc> I lobbied with several review sites to add these to their benchmark suites
16:05:47 <\x> <@hyc> Well, RandomX is legit a thorough test of CPU+RAM performance
16:05:56 <\x> you should try contacting hwbot again
16:06:19 <\x> now that have a guy doing maintenance on it, not like november last year
16:09:17 <Inge> sech1: I see quite a few benchamrks include the motherboard in the benchmark, but about as many do not... 
16:09:36 <Inge> sech1: is that different versions, or some motherboards can't be ID'ed or what?
16:12:28 <Inge> looks like it changed quite a bit. for mine it includes which dimm slots are populated and stuff
16:13:17 <\x> differing versions
16:13:35 <\x> there was a lot of benches already before they started grabbing smbios info
16:13:38 <\x> also, non root runs
16:13:51 <\x> also, non root runs on linux i think wont include smbios data
16:14:02 <\x> dmidecode thingy blah blah
16:14:48 <Inge> on closer inspection, looks like someone managed to get in right below my top spot
16:14:58 <Inge> I thought I had like 8 of the top 10 but there IS some competition there
16:15:18 <\x> i cant even grab top spot on my cpus
16:15:35 <\x> but hey, atleast i still probably has the highest freq memory ran there
16:16:50 <\x> https://xmrig.com/benchmark/3nRV19
17:59:04 <hyc> got 3 new outputs since yesterday
17:59:40 <hyc> heh, all 3 this morning, btw 3-4am
18:01:21 <DataHoarder> it's the morning rush :)
18:01:36 <DataHoarder> 3 days in a row with block-heavy mornings
18:02:12 <hyc> interesting. maybe someone else's hashrate goes offline then
18:02:41 <DataHoarder> well if anything we get more then, but we were at 34MH/s for a while now
23:37:46 <abberant[m]> <\x> "i cant even grab top spot on..." <- bad cas?
23:40:27 <abberant[m]> also can someone explain why sometimes my difficulty is like 1/800th the network hashrate which I think is default, and sometimes its enough to solve shares every minute? kinda weird
23:42:43 <DataHoarder> It is a random process :)
23:43:02 <DataHoarder> although if you restart it might mine at lower difficulty while it syncs