09:06:07 Probably nothing https://twitter.com/CoinDesk/status/1442677891234414595 09:08:05 "Alibaba to stop selling mining machines" 09:28:00 only affects bitcoin I'd imagine 09:30:05 one thing is quite certain - it does NOT impact Monero 09:30:06 they removed ASIC and GPU rig sections AFAIK 09:31:10 https://rule.alibaba.com/rule/detail/11004645.htm 09:32:55 good for monero I think, they will be looking for something to mine covertly 11:13:19 mining accessories too? but that was a good place to find cooling tech :/ 11:21:18 Hmm could China ban Monero mining? Its not exactly as wide scale as BTC or requires specialised tech. Are we going to see an xmrp2pool.cn at some point? :P 13:09:03 from the Alibaba link, in addition to hardware China also banned tutorials and strategies 13:09:07 w0w 13:09:20 451F vibes 13:09:54 the future is now 14:59:34 can't stop the p2pool 17:41:01 wonder if since China is all stop on Bitcoin, will they start looking into knocking together a custom board CPU with 128+mb L3 cache, and 64GB GDDR6 17:53:54 naw, randomx requires full cpu and that will be extremely costly to start building the for mining purposes only 17:57:13 If they can make something extremely cheaply that'll get say 400h/s, then they can just bundle a few thousand of them together 17:57:57 Well that, yes, maybe. 17:58:00 farm inside a box 17:58:10 nice mega threading cpus with plenty of cache and ram on fast paths! 17:58:30 they might as well sell it to corporations at overpriced numbers and they make more 17:59:54 pauliouk: yeah they can package lots of them together but like at some point you're just making a super efficient general computing network which I'm sure has been tried way more than just for xmr mining 18:00:19 take something like a Raspberry Pi 4, take out all of the features that it doesn't need (video, audio, GPIO etc) give it a built in 2gb sdd, and it'll give you 100h/s. Make it for $5, $50 gets you 1kh 18:00:25 inb4 you end up with AMD cores 18:00:35 it's all a single embedded chip pauliouk 18:00:44 also the ssd is not what hashrate gives it 18:00:50 rip it all out 18:01:00 saves having space for an sd card ;) 18:01:05 you need the ram allocation, L3 cache probably 18:01:17 why sd card if you just want to make a core 18:01:27 just boot to ramdisk 18:02:00 just figure it'd be easier to take what they already have the blueprints for and reskin them like usual 18:03:00 take HR/cost and you end up with optimum prices, without accounting for power 18:03:12 and you end up looking at some AMD stuff 18:03:35 10K/h for $500 ... 18:03:40 ^ development in general computing processors is going to be leagues ahead of anything thats "good" at xmr mining 18:03:45 one can hope proper general purpose high performance ARM64 cores make it out soon 18:03:50 look further pauliouk 18:04:28 pauliouk: I know its just an example but for $500 you can get a whole 3900x rig for like 16kh/s 18:04:56 hmm, not in the UK :P 18:05:04 not in finland either.. 18:05:08 also: it's biased towards areas 18:05:24 the cpu itself costs 500€~ here 18:05:38 jaska087: ouch 18:05:50 electronics are extremely pricey here T_T 18:06:00 and everything pretty much.. :d 18:06:30 I think the cpu prices pumped about 10% recently, been looking for two 5950x cpu's for upgrade 18:08:51 https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/62822/qcmkr/AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X-prosessori-AM4-kantaan hmm.. sale! 18:10:36 I had like a 6 day period of no shares with 31kh/s after I tried p2pool git with monerod from the release, and then I switched to the release p2pool to see if it would fix and I started finding shares again. Now I haven't found a share in well over a day again and nor has any of my other friends but one on my monero node when we have combined like 70kh/s, should be getting shares every 3ish hours with that 18:11:18 I can't tell whats a problem and whats just bad luck, everything is updated and fully functional from my inspections 18:11:36 I have seen personal 600% bad luck 18:11:40 🙄 18:12:30 I also have had back luck lately, expect the 9 payouts I got this midday 18:12:57 I'm more worried now just cause it seems like I fixed a hidden problem the first time I wasnt getting shares, I get like 4 a day on average so thats like 2400% over 6 days 18:13:27 and coincidently fixed after I changed p2pool versions would be a bit much 18:13:47 well, it works with the release as is 18:14:14 you could put on a foil hat and start randomly restarting everything ;P 18:15:52 jaska087: I have been kinda frequently for the last few days as I troubleshoot and update and stuff 18:16:12 p2pool readme got updated to include some new monerod flags for better mining so I added those 18:17:04 yeah those pretty much stops your monero node stalling if you have bad behaving or slow dns servers 18:17:57 but eliminating anything that is not really needed is a bonus 18:20:19 I made a bot for my discord server to ping for shares and give special roles and other awards for finding shares, and like 3 people with 7kh/s havent found a block in 5 days and one dude has found 7, they all have the exact same p2pool setup that I directed on their windows machines, I'm saying its probably just bad luck but they're getting kinda annoyed/suspicious :/ 18:20:48 2 of the 3 found a block within like 6 hours but nothing after that actually, thats their only shares 18:21:01 this whole situation is just confusing 18:21:30 well they expect average results 18:21:40 but you can only calculate the average long term :) 18:21:51 short term it's noise 18:22:02 I mean, statistically this is a pretty huge outlier 18:23:10 at the moment I'm still convinced its bad luck but I'm getting suspicious as effort for all of us starts to hit several multiples of 100 18:23:16 well I would say that person was pretty lucky 18:23:25 did their shares actually get counted, or was it low diff 18:23:48 actually counted 18:24:18 and their stats show fine on p2pool right? 18:24:21 worker stats 18:25:14 in status yeah, though I don't have much data cause I just check status for troubleshooting to make sure it looks like its working right which it does, they open and close as they game on their pcs 18:25:23 so data is reset 18:26:34 seems complex 18:27:19 the whole situation is :/ I don't know what to do anymore but hope its not broke and wait for regression towards the mean 18:29:09 mmh it's hard to convince ppl because it's all random :\ 18:30:44 it's easier solomining with less variance :) 18:32:52 `sudo ./monerod --zmq-pub tcp://0.0.0.0:18083 --disable-dns-checkpoints --enable-dns-blocklist --rpc-bind-ip 0.0.0.0 --confirm-external-bind --restricted-rpc --limit-rate-up 65536 --in-peers 2`... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/5341f79255475ef391720e62e807aebf814ecee6) 18:34:23 last time I went a week without shares after getting plenty of them daily the week before was after the release came out and I switched to release monerod with aur p2pool, and then switched to release p2pool which fixed it, now I'm getting the problems with that setup 18:34:47 maybe I should compile monerod again but it looks like the codes the same so shouldnt change anything, but I can't think of any other options 18:35:55 mm, my machine is pretty limited on memory because of all the things I have running on it, but I don't see a correlation between shares and time frames when more memory has been in use, either way I should probably make a swap partition 18:35:55 how many connections do you have on monerod? 18:36:23 12(out)+2(in) 18:36:55 I limited ins cause the uploads were sucking up my 1tb data limit, shouldnt matter to this tho 18:38:53 I also won the xmrvsbeast hash raffle but only got shares equivalent to 200kh/s when it said it was about 900kh/s at the time, this was around the time shares started to be very uncommon for me again 18:39:02 ^dunno if thats at all related but might be worth mentioning 18:39:21 more weirdness and adding on to supposed bad luck 18:39:31 naw it doesn't matter 18:40:09 if you guys are paranoid you can try running p2pools of my node and see if it changes anything, I doubt it but hey anything goes at this point right? 18:40:18 if you're on other continent then it's not a good idea :D 18:40:49 mmm Yes hello 18:40:56 Maybe either your p2pool or monerod are behind? 18:41:08 match output with what it says on p2pool.observer 18:41:10 jaska087: might try xmrvsbeast node 18:41:26 ok 18:41:47 DataHoarder: I'm getting the transactions not found in pool but that was explained yesterday to be possibly unrelated 18:41:53 DataHoarder: let me try 18:43:43 yea I've been mining for almost a week straight during the nights with p2pool and i have yet to get a single share at like 7000h on average 18:45:28 24/7 5000 H/s gets me share every 1-2 days 18:45:45 by average, but its running 24/7 18:46:06 yea i only run it during the nights mostly 'cause i game durin' the day 18:46:09 DataHoarder: last 2 blocks align pretty well on my node to the observer 18:46:16 plus 10 000 H/s when I'm not using my pc 18:46:30 teedles[m]: i'll give p2pool the benefit of the doubt for this but still 18:47:02 I've got ~4kh 24/7, get a share every couple days 18:47:23 i know someone else who got like a cpu just a bit weaker than mine and hes on the p2pool 24/7 18:47:27 got nothing the previous 3 days, then a couple this morning 18:47:30 mayb not 24/7 but close enough 18:47:36 and no shares 18:49:01 my mac should be doing a steady 2kh but it keeps sending stale jobs and getting banned by p2pool 18:49:08 lol 18:49:14 F 18:49:16 so it's offline for a lot of the time 18:49:32 In the future if p2pool grows shares are gonna become very rare for low hashrate miners, are shares the actual p2pool blocks and the system wouldnt work well with faster times? 18:50:02 what faster times? 18:50:10 otherwise, yes, you're correct 18:50:34 faster block times so difficulty is lower 18:50:41 regardless the situation is no worse than for regular pool mining. 18:50:50 time to make another p2pool to mine p2pool blocks 18:50:53 the situation is always better in fact, since p2pool has no fees 18:51:35 also no transactions fees ;) OR? 18:51:39 lowering difficulty won't increase payouts. the only thing that gets a payout is being lucky enough to solve the mainnet hash 18:51:55 hyc: yeah, but long term p2pool blocks are gonna be comparably difficult as solo mining is now 18:52:19 long run it's all the same, minus fees. 18:52:26 hyc: I mean like you can't get a payout until you find a p2pool share 18:52:34 Holy fuck my 6800XT is 76 degrees 18:52:36 which isnt the case for the majority of my friends 18:52:36 It's NEVER been this hot 18:52:41 if you have only 400H/s, you will wait forever to get the minimum payout threshold on a regular pool\ 18:52:43 s/isnt/is/ 18:53:07 teedles[m]: GPU mining hit diff 18:54:04 hyc: true, but operators will lower fees and transaction fees will decrease as the network grows along with the dynamic blocks, and p2pool wont 18:54:25 p2pool has no fees to decrease, so it is always better than any other pool 18:55:17 it also has fewer orphan blocks (in theory) because all found blocks are broadcasted by all miners at the same time 18:55:23 Yeah but if it takes half a year a p2pool block then it wont be very attractive 18:55:37 you're still missing the point. 18:55:52 if it takes half a year with p2pool it will also take at least half a year on any regular pool 18:55:55 not a single pool has > 100 distributed monero nodes to broadcast its blocks 18:56:14 ^this <3 18:56:30 but it's also its weakness in sense ;P 18:57:36 hyc: I would assume operators to lower minimum payouts if this were the case that monero became very popular and more valuable, because they could scale it to the situation that is now just with lower units, since transaction fees will scale 18:58:07 you're still talking peanuts to pineapples 18:58:30 the p2pool payout is like 2-3 orders of magnitude smaller than other pool thresholds 18:58:33 I'm not understanding then :( 18:58:48 no matter how low they lower their thresholds they will always be more costly than p2pool 18:59:18 what part of do you not understand? 18:59:34 hyc: but you can't get a payout until you find a share I think, so the minimum payout is only as good as the reward for finding a share at first? 18:59:56 or am I mistaken that you don't get payouts before you find a block cause I havent experienced it myself as I found a share fast 19:00:12 s/block/share/ 19:00:19 and you can't get a payout from a regular pool before you find a share either 19:00:32 hyc: this isnt about transaction fees though, its about minimum payouts 19:00:35 no matter what, a 400H/s miner is going to wait a long time for their first payout 19:00:43 hyc: but regular pools can have far lower difficulties than p2pool 19:00:44 Min payout is still better here 19:00:49 you find a share 19:00:51 and on a regular pool with a threshold like 0.1-0.5xmr it will take years 19:00:53 one of 2160 blocks 19:01:06 you get, let’s say 4 payouts on average 19:01:28 p2pool payouts also have 0 XMR fee which is not possible with regular transactions 19:01:31 Have seen 0.00029 and similar due to uncles 19:01:35 right now it is, but what about the future when the share difficulty rises so much it will take months? 19:01:47 abberant[m]: you're forgetting that those shares are also worth less when they're on such low difficulty. 19:01:48 sech1: ^ 19:01:52 does not matter, that also means you will get paid out more when you find it 19:02:01 cause p2pool finds more blocks 19:02:09 hyc: but you can still get paid out for them, you can't unless they're really high diff on p2pool 19:02:16 no. 19:02:21 which still means you would not get paid out on a centralized pool 19:02:32 you won't reach the minimum payout threshold 19:02:40 You would not reach the minimum, as fees kind of grow 19:03:06 done repeating myself, I'm out of this conv. 19:03:13 I'm under the assumption that pool operators would lower minimums to stay competitive as I don't see a reason for them not to 19:03:35 they can't lower minimums to what p2pool can afford because of transaction fees 19:04:23 39 or so bytes per output, cannot really be beaten 19:04:39 in theory, even if the hashrate doubles, doubling the difficulty, it will take double the effort for you to mine a share, but in return you will get paid double the times 19:05:08 I have no clue how much lower fees get but would they not lapse p2pool share reward eventually? 19:05:33 jaska087: yeah this is all understanded 19:05:34 non-zero is always greater than zero. simple math dude. 19:05:47 hyc: fee's arnt the issue though 19:05:59 They are for low hashrate ones 19:06:07 I'm only talking about time to get a payout, everything else p2pool is obviously superior 19:06:12 where fee for min payout is like 30% 19:06:17 and time to get a payout isnt an issue yet 19:06:21 and probably wont be for a long time 19:06:25 which also would take longer than p2pool 19:06:43 say what is the minimum on centralized pools out there 19:07:03 moneroocean is 0.003 19:07:05 thats all I know 19:07:07 minimums are there for a reason, they cannot lower them more or it doesn’t make sense any longer 19:07:15 ^ 19:07:29 yes, p2pool is about 0.0003 if you get an uncle share at the moment 19:07:43 how long does it take to get 0.003 19:07:48 on MO 19:08:15 my whole arguement is based on the assumption that fees will lower like they're supposed to with dynamic blocks, and at some point they might become low enough where it makes sense for centralized pools minimum payouts to be lower than the reward that you earn from finding a p2pool share, because in both of those situations is your first payout 19:08:18 vs how long does it take to get to 0.003 on p2pool, about the same in average given same luck/no issues 19:08:34 dynamic blocks do not lower fees 19:10:06 its probably not the same "feature" if what I'm saying exists at all, but I read a few times on r/monero about monero transaction fees adjusting over time 19:10:23 it takes about 3 days with no fees for 5000 H/s to get that 0.003 19:10:26 if I'm mistaken then the thing I've been arguing isnt valid anymore 19:10:51 so seems like i've been lucky? 19:11:31 jaska087: if we had the same hashrate as minexmr it would take 2 months 19:11:46 almost 19:12:52 and even longer if p2pool grows even more over the years, though I suppose CPUs also improve, if p2pool becomes the dominant pool then it would take many months for payouts on consumer cpus 19:13:02 and years on bad laptops 19:13:05 abberant[m]: as in, on a congested mempool block size can be increased by miners up to the point that it makes sense for them, but no more, but this is when mempool is used. It lowers average you need, but NEVER below base low 19:13:21 Well you can always start another sidechain 19:13:29 You cannot go below what is already the minimum 19:13:29 it probably will pay too but it takes again alooot longer 19:13:41 ^ cause you do not find blocks as easy indeed 19:13:52 jaska087: this is the solution to what I've been saying, thanks for bringing it up 19:13:55 Also be mindful of your smaller chain being 51%’d 19:14:03 if we have lots of small p2pools then it wouldnt be so much of an issue 19:14:14 password protections is there for a reason DataHoarder ;) 19:14:34 Yep, with closed groups it works 19:14:43 but you have to find the balance of block times on actual monero network and p2pool share times 19:14:46 but then you do not find Monero blocks 19:14:51 400H/s divided by 3GH is a very small number, no matter how you slice it 19:15:09 whether you join a big pool or a small pool, solo mine or p2pool, you will wait a long long time to get anything 19:15:15 in the end the sure way to get more Monero is to have more hashrate :< 19:16:10 But most peeps want short term solutions and rewards 19:16:22 Yeah then buy monero 19:16:23 they're not invested enough 19:16:55 abberant[m]: well I don't know if I made it clear but this is what I was trying to argue, but apparently pool min payouts are going to rise if monero grows as well so the future is just far longer for payouts for everyone? or am I missing an inverse effect 19:17:45 more sidechains can remedy the share difficulty problem to an extent, if you have enough hashrate, or people have sidechains with enough hashrate to find monero blocks consistently 19:20:14 if Monero hashrate grows, well 19:20:30 if you stay constant you will also get less over time 19:20:40 besides decreasing block rewards 19:23:37 why does my p2pool say 0 incoming? should have all my ports forwarded, don't wanna be hurting propagation 19:23:50 I have every port I've heard of forwarded... 19:23:58 what's your ip? 19:24:01 have you been banned? 19:24:17 24.131.175.237 19:24:39 oof... 19:24:58 🤨 19:25:00 sec.. 19:25:06 oof 19:25:18 maybe this is part of my no shares problem? 19:25:22 http://irc.myxmr.net/file/1/D1MNDkH5VLKT8LQW 19:25:26 that IP looks suspiciously familiar 19:25:38 there's definetly something wrong 19:25:39 did you change p2pool code or config.json? 19:25:42 wait, wasn't it that IP which sent invalid PoW blocks? 19:25:43 umm 19:26:00 Yep sech1 19:26:13 DataHoarder: I'm not smart enough for that D: 19:26:16 Got a few logged on disk 19:27:16 I've been seeing some yellow recently and monerod being spammed with invalid transactions, maybe there was some desync? 19:27:54 https://p2pool.observer/share/31d8e21f2741c3a1e0e29578154957e56afd2d0961fad370f14d7c012453e46c 19:28:05 Maybe different ip 19:28:20 24.131.175.237 is the only one I've ever used 19:28:45 Well at least it is not the one that has invalid shares 19:28:54 DataHoarder: 😓 19:29:37 Not close to my logs at the moment, do you have ban messages sech1 ? 19:29:48 maybe your node is lagging too badly abberant[m] 19:30:17 yes, this IP gets banned regularly 19:30:47 you could add only bunch of exclusive nodes 19:30:50 24.20.149.59 was the IP that sent invalid blocks 19:30:53 so it's different 19:31:11 pretty sure everyone here has quite stable monero node 19:31:28 so small circle to keep your data usage low and connectivity at max 19:31:29 my internet should be very stable, but the machine it runs on is pretty balls to the walls with cpu/mem usage, I set xmrig to low priority to use the extra cpu 19:31:41 ah.. 19:31:42 I have other machines but used this one for convenience as it has tons of cores, maybe its a bad idea? 19:32:18 I should disable some cores in xmrig then to reduce load, do you think memory could be an issue as well? 19:32:37 no, it's the cpu usage 19:33:52 randomx allocation hasnt been working on all of monerod, p2pool, and xmrig at the same time (dunno about solo) and commands havent been fixing it, I don't think it matters though 19:42:53 so, why would I have no incoming connections if my node gets banned temporarily and every so often? do good nodes just give up or move on from trying to connect to it after a few tries? 19:47:54 You get removed from peer list 19:48:00 and not shared with others 19:48:39 I assume theres no way to fix that unless new miners join or existing node operators manually remove me 19:49:53 ban lasts only for 10 minutes 19:50:03 if you fix your node, you will be able to reconnect 19:50:55 both monerod and p2pool seemed to be getting main chain blocks on time, I assume theres too much of a delay for constructing new p2pool blocks so theres not enough time for shares to be submitted? 19:51:49 maybe you have some firewall or antivirus blocking p2pool messages, because your node can get banned if it doesn't send anything 19:51:50 * abberant[m] uploaded an image: (88KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/PQKDvnbjKCIdurvLncIQVcfh/image.png > 19:51:52 I removed 2 cores, I have a few other apps that will use them but they shouldnt be stressed very often if at all 19:52:57 sech1: using minimal arch with ufw allowing every monero/p2pool related port I've heard of 19:57:32 `Connections = 8 (0 incoming)` 19:57:32 How long should I expect to wait for this to change 20:03:07 this is normal if your port is not accessible for incoming connections 20:03:58 I would like to if it will help the network as I heard not many people allow that 20:04:28 I probably need a p2pool flag, thanks for pointing it out I'll take a look 20:04:48 also, I really appreciate the help from everyone here, and your work on this project in the first place 20:04:50 its amazing 20:07:00 abberant[m]: not seeing anything on the github, all the correct ports should be accessible 21:16:27 So this brings up a question. Sometimes I fire up a p2pool and connect with my wallet address to check to see if there are any shares in the window. It works well. But since there are no miners connected to that p2pool, can I get myself banned since it isn't sending? 21:18:00 doubt it, your node is still going to be seeding other blocks and its not going to try and send empty data anyways if theres nothing to be sent 21:18:09 s/seeding/sending/ 21:19:01 but it still participates by receiving and sending new blocks I bet 21:19:07 EDad no 21:19:34 p2pool node without miners still sends data to other nodes (relaying blocks and so on) 21:21:16 Thanks for that sech1. I spend too much time fretting about what might be wrong with my setup. 🙂 22:04:13 yea no problem bro. anytime 22:04:18 (Fact: I am not Sech1) 22:05:07 sorry Sech1 lmao 22:05:14 i swear it was joke man 23:43:21 What list or log lists banned IP's?