02:01:19 What about bitcoins SHA256 ASICs? Have they become a bit of a commodity? 02:24:59 sech1: hyc: can we merge https://github.com/tevador/RandomX/pull/229 ? someone has issues with compiling monero on openbsd riscv and this fixes it 04:45:53 garth: given that the latest, most efficient ones are in the ~8-20k$ range, I'd say definitely not 04:47:21 And currently, the most efficient one (Antminer S19 XP hyd.) takes ~510 days to pay for itself at 0.10 $/kWh 05:16:53 selsta merged 05:21:26 thanks, will make a PR to bump the submodule 07:42:04 i am in a European Standardisation meeting and they are discussing creating new work items for creating standards for PoW/environmental friendliness for consensus mechanisms. is it part of CEN/CLC/JTC 19 - Blockchain and Distributed Ledger Technologies 08:21:41 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/1aF1U3KP/ 08:23:19 * moneromooo mumbles something about merge mining 08:28:19 moneromooo: yeah, that has not yet been mentioned and doesn't seem on the radar of their workgroups, as yet. though they are aware that there are methods of increasing efficiency per tx and also recognise that crypto mining is a way of absorbing energy creation surplus - especially at sites based on renewable energy 09:37:24 "Efficiency per tx" is an absolutely useless metric, since mining speed and number if txes processed are two completely independent numbers 09:38:44 Mining speed depends on the financial incentive to mine, while the number of transactions processed depends on adoption and limits in the transaction protocol (eg. available block space that limits tps) 09:42:24 Ultimately, PoW doesn't "care" about the source of the energy used - electricity is electricity. What matters is that it's cheap. Want to reduce pollution? Bring some financial incentives and subsidies in favour of cleaner energy sources, and financially penalize coal mines and coal power plants. Make clean energy the cheapest option, and then everyone will move to it 11:01:25 Amen 11:09:13 merope: when i mean efficiency, this includes environmental impact (ie. source of elec) 11:13:27 Of course, but still: the mining protocol and the transaction protocol are mostly independent - their only connection is through transaction fees, but their impact on the mining incentive is mostly marginal 11:13:56 It doesn't take more energy to mine 10000 transactions or 10 transactions 11:15:34 So numbers such as "average CO2 per transactions" make absolutely no sense - if there were more crypto adoption, those numbers would drop even if electricity consumption stayed the same (or even if it grew, but slower) 11:29:30 clean energy is already the cheapest option, in absence of all subsidies 11:30:11 cost alone is never the motivator in today's world. it's about sunk cost - who's already heavily invested in the satus quo 11:30:25 who's going to lose profits because the world tries to change 11:54:20 hyc: that is not true in all countries, though is it? it's hardly the cheapest option in Kazakstan, for argument's sake 12:35:31 for majority of world https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/23/most-new-wind-solar-projects-cheaper-than-coal-report 12:36:42 https://ourworldindata.org/cheap-renewables-growth 12:37:49 look at those trend lines. it's not even close 22:36:52 rediscovered that the 17.1.9 wallet doesn't scan p2pool payouts correctly 22:59:13 <\x> https://twitter.com/Underfox3/status/1511697371020902401 23:14:29 gingeropolous: you need v0.17.3.0 23:17:24 yeah, i got it workin. thanks selsta