01:03:50 lol 01:04:17 no, as a PC owner, if anyone else is using my CPU cycles / resources without my knowledge or express permission, that's a problem. 01:04:57 same goes for smartphones and my network bandwidth. that's why I install firewalls on my android phone and block all ad sites, etc. 01:05:21 they've got no right to use my mobile data behind my back 01:34:44 hyc: Yup, but protecting your property is your duty, not Monero's 01:49:19 yes... but if my property is inherently indefensible, like a Windows install, that's not my fault. that's the vendor's fault. 19:45:20 "no, as a PC owner, if anyone..." <- Yah using someone else users resources to mine monero is bad, but I guess we can’t do much in current state of randomx and it helps monero hashrate 19:45:53 s/users// 21:34:49 just to sum up: yes, using other people's resources is bad. but allowing that to be possible is not our fault, it is the PC and OS suppliers' fault. 21:35:39 as RandomX devs, we've acted responsibly. not only is RandomX itself fully documented in the open, but tevador has already provided randomX detection code that antivirus guys can leverage 21:36:59 we've done what we can to make RandomX as obvious as possible. nobody can run it on someone else's machine without being noticed, one way or another 21:37:40 any more than that isn't our responsibility. vendors have to build more secure OSs. 21:38:18 ... tho the possibility occurs to me, now that some AV guys are adding cryptominers to their software - 21:38:37 we should have added a virus detector to xmrig :P 21:39:30 Well said hyc "vendors have to build more secure OSs.", I do agree with you. 21:39:47 Botnets are not my issue, them controlling majority of the hashrate is 21:40:04 The problem is not RandomX, the problem is that people underestimate the real security of OS 21:41:56 nikg83[m]: you don't actually know if they do 21:44:12 hyc: No, there are hundreds of thousand to a million of pcs mining monero in someone’s based or some datacenter 21:44:21 s/based/basement/