00:05:58 Inge, at this point i don't think its about hamstringing Rx on the x5. Its about improving rX and it happens to hamstring x5. the fact that new gen amd chips have less hash ( or whatever was stated) means that somethings borkt 06:54:01 We have antpool now: https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero 06:54:04 19.8 MH/s 06:54:43 Quick question, how do these websites determine which hashrate is coming from which pool? 06:56:17 Ip ? 06:56:25 They just show whatever pools say 06:56:36 Of course there are a few checks in place 06:56:43 Ah, right. I didn't think of that, thanks 06:56:56 🤦‍♂️ 06:59:04 If they want to hide their hashrate , i guess they could simply use another ip for it , which is not regsitered with this website 06:59:26 Then it would be shown in the "unknown blocks" anyway 06:59:35 Right now unknown is 2.5% 07:00:47 Yeah 07:20:39 gingeropolous: thanks for clarifying 07:42:55 hmm, so the X5 is "multicoin" - yet their own pool list only contains XMR for RandomX 07:44:30 i guess by multiple coins they mean the xmr you mine today and xmr you mine tomorrow :D you get two "coins" of the same currency :P 07:45:12 beside the joke, i think we can expect a firmware upgrade shortly to address other randomX coins problem 07:46:40 https://qu.ax/lcLH.png roi in 1 year if you got that initial discount ? 07:47:58 well ROI in one year, if you don't spend 4x as much replaced overheated burnt out boards in it :P 07:48:39 they still only list the initial firmware, no "tf card service pack" still wondering where the hell is rV binaries 07:55:35 it's possible that the controller board cross compiles the risc-v code for the mining boards, did we see any indication for this? 07:56:54 I'm reasonably sure it can mine Townforge gold, since it's merge mined with monero. That'd make it multi-coin. Technically. 07:57:13 I tried to register and mine at antpool, but without success 07:57:23 When I switch to XMR page to get pool URL, it just logs me out :D 07:58:29 But it does show pool URLs for a split second before that. I tried these pool URLs but I only get "connection reset by peer" 07:58:38 xmr.antpool.com:3333, xmr.antpool.com:443, xmr.antpool.com:25 07:59:11 "connection reset by GFW" 08:00:10 Maybe they use some proprietary protocol that only works with X5 08:00:52 In this case, antpool hashrate is 100% from X5 miners 08:02:01 Found one more URL xmr.antpool.com:9005 08:02:06 This one is working with xmrig 08:03:25 i think the magic is inside the arm64 kernel image, it has some stuff i can't get a hold of. some LZO compressed data and xz compressed data that i'm speculating related to rV part 08:04:34 But can you decompress it? 08:04:41 nope 08:04:49 both says "corrupted" 08:05:30 for the lzo i checked in hex editor to see if i got the blob with right size, checked the headers, all seems correct, "it just can't extract TM" 08:10:27 well, the decompression code should be there somewhere 08:14:03 yeap, still checking bits and pieces i might have missed before deep diving those 08:15:04 like the stuff in godminer binary, they don't ever clean up their codebase i think, this has stuff related to all the previous coins like LTC, RVN, ZEC etc. 08:15:59 very weird stuff comes up, when checking strings, there's an ascii hex string, that turns out to be raw inflated data but doesn't result anything interesting 08:16:50 i wouldn't be surprised to learn it's a firmware for a mcu on board, i see references of dspic33 series 08:17:39 and some funny strings like "Pool is activing, exiting and restart." 08:41:48 This is "all your base are belong to us" level :D 08:47:26 hmm Antpool is around 20Mh/s so they have around 100 devices online? Since we know the estimated hashrate of each one, we can quickly see how many are active :D 08:48:58 Yes 08:49:25 Normal XMRig can technically mine there (I checked it), but I don't think anyone but X5 owners will mine there 08:51:24 so 100 X5s still haven't burned down? 08:51:38 I think 100 X5s found their way to customers 08:51:55 Bitmain uses nanopool, supportxmr and hashvault for mining 08:52:21 hmm and they all landed at the exact same time since Antpool went from like 100kh/s to 20mh/s instantly 08:52:44 or is this the X6 getting tested out? 08:54:20 I don't think so 08:54:33 X5 is state-of-the-art RISC-V, nothing to improve for X6 apart from cooling and firmware 08:54:43 Maybe they moved 100 devices to antpool to ensure it mines enough blocks per day 08:55:43 hmm could be the case, increases the popularity of the pool by moving it up the listings and advertises their products 08:55:50 I still wonder what "R" stands for in SG2042R 08:55:59 Reject? 08:56:07 So chips that didn't have all 64 cores working? 08:56:10 especially since all of the youtubers have slated the X5 08:56:17 and they decided to repurpose them :D 08:56:27 would they screen print Rejected on their hardware on purpose? :P 08:56:57 Maybe "Reduced" 08:56:59 to 32 cores 08:58:00 It makes sense that they would use quality rejects for X5 08:58:07 Since they can't sell them normally 08:58:40 Normal CPU company would just make another CPU model, like SG2040 with 32 cores :D 08:58:58 Like AMD does with their 8-core chiplets - reduces them to 6 cores for low-end models 08:59:09 Ryzen 7950X -> 7900X 09:00:14 Youtubers didn't like X5 because it can only mine Monero. 09:00:20 Zephyr is all the hype now 09:00:25 So they were disappointed 09:02:44 doesn't look good when the "celebs" hate on your "shiny" "new" product :D 09:03:55 its also never good when you take so much time and effort over your marketing strategy for a release, and then you send out something that doesn't live up to anywhere near its expectations 09:04:28 might see some on the marketplaces soon for a nicely reduced price 09:11:10 Hashrate and power usage is as promised though 09:11:56 btw DDR4-3200 8GB SODIMM sticks can be found for as low as $25 09:12:25 they "Supermicor server certified" sticks for $100 each 09:12:28 *they use 09:12:47 At least they didn't cheap out there :D 09:15:59 wonder if the manufacture dates of the memory are all the same, or if they just bulk bought retail :D 09:55:15 <@sech1> I still wonder what "R" stands for in SG2042R => stands for "ROI in 20 years at best" 10:02:28 lol 11:17:14 the .bmu firmware results in a 32bit arm userland "distro". in it there are those update_app and update_total files. and update_total has 64bit arm tools. so there's one main arm that has the cgminer, godminer, webui stuff, then there's the controller one with smaller firmware. what if the R has the controller ARM embedded ? i wonder if they have a "loicence" for that. arm+riscV cores on the same package. 11:55:53 it seems they are using xxtea for encrypting eeprom data/config. there's even what seems to be a default key but i think that ram location is already getting updated for the real key. 12:00:49 yeah, hardware_init function is calling those two xxtea functions to decode and encode. maybe there's a default blob we are missing that's encrypted with this. 12:13:46 Ohh, juicy: https://www.techpowerup.com/314231/amd-zen-5-microarchitecture-referenced-in-leaked-slides 12:13:59 10-15% IPC increase over Zen 4 12:14:13 I did a quick compare with Zen 4: 12:14:15 dispatch/rename: 6 -> 8 wide, +33% 12:14:15 ALUs: 4 -> 6, +50% 12:14:15 load/stora: 3/2 -> 4/2, +33% 12:14:15 L1 data: 32 -> 48 KiB, +50% 12:14:15 L2/L3: same 12:14:40 Zen 5 will be more efficient than X5, for sure :D 12:19:53 hyc1 https://www.techpowerup.com/314231/amd-zen-5-microarchitecture-referenced-in-leaked-slides 12:20:20 33% wider dispatch, 50% more ALUs, 50% bigger L1 12:20:39 Zen 5 can execute 8 ops/cycle, wow 12:35:32 sounds cool. of course real throughput will never get near that 12:36:12 They expect 10-15% IPC increase 12:36:30 8 ops/cycle is 2 times more than Zen 1 :D 12:38:06 They're getting to the point where 2 threads per core is not enough :D 18:26:22 IBM have been running what, 8 threads/core?