09:31:18 <midipoet> Came across this report today that mentions ASIC-resistance/RandomX/Monero. you have to "sign up" but can put in any email, as i understand it. 
09:31:23 <midipoet> https://www.micacryptoalliance.com/reports/environmental-impact-of-asic-resistant-coins
09:31:45 <midipoet> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/N7QeqeKN/Environmental_impact_of_ASIC_Reistant_Coins.pdf
09:31:48 <midipoet> ^^ also here if you just want the .pdf
09:36:58 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \>In contrast, ASIC-resistant coins - while more inclusive and accessible, suffer from substantially higher
09:36:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> environmental overheads in terms of computational effort.
09:37:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \>The MiCA Crypto Alliance, is a strategic initiative aimed at supporting the industry’s
09:37:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> transition to compliance with MiCA.
09:37:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> of fucking course
09:40:02 <sech1> The whole report is bullshit because they compare energy (kWh per Terahash) directly, even if the algorithms are different
09:40:13 <sech1> Can throw it into the garbage bin
09:40:14 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wonderful
09:40:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i'm ready to presume normies are gonna use that as an argument of authority and denies this obvious on purpose fault
09:41:25 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> good citizens must love cbdc and hate democratic coins
09:41:27 <sech1> "Environmental impact" only depends on how many kWh miners spend, not their hardware
09:41:34 <sech1> plus the impact of producing the said hardware, of course
09:41:49 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sech1 also depends on where this energy comes from honestly
09:41:55 <sech1> CPUs can be reused for something else, unlike ASICs. So RandomX impact is definitely smaller
09:42:06 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> right
09:43:06 <sech1> Outdated ASICs go straight to the landfill somewhere in Africa. Outdated CPUs can be used for some home servers, or donated to someone who needs them, or just keep mining
09:43:42 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> also insert the noise problem in texas
09:43:47 <sech1> and yes, kWh spent and where these kWh come from
09:43:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> idr who made a video about how a btc farm just made an entire city in texas completely sick
09:44:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because of the extreme industrial noise
09:44:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thumbs up to your message (can't do that on irc)
09:53:14 <midipoet> to be fair, it is true that ASIC-resistant coins don't explicitly seek renewable energy sources, whereas mining farms do
09:53:58 <midipoet> i don't get the 'waste intensity' bit though. how are ASIC-r coins so much worse?
09:55:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they aren't
09:55:44 <midipoet> this platform does look kinda interesting though: https://www.nodiens.com/
09:58:28 <midipoet> "E-waste generation is calculated based on the basket of rigs that are actively used to operate nodes. The methodology accounts for the physical specifications of the hardware, particularly device weight, and applies depreciation rates—either technical or economic, depending on which occurs first—to estimate when the equipment becomes obsolete. This allows for a realistic approximation of the amount of mining hardware 
09:58:28 <midipoet> discarded each year."
09:58:37 <midipoet> "Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment (WEEE) intensity (g/Th and g/tx): Calculated by dividing total e-waste generation by total hashrate or transaction count."
09:59:52 <midipoet> "However, they generate more electronic waste per transaction, due to lower throughput in these networks, which may be attributed to the lower block size of ASIC- resistant networks and possibly lagging adoption. " << i really don't get this
10:08:48 <DataHoarder> using this measurement the faster (H/s) your pow function is the better it is :)