04:49:55 <gingeropolous> isthmus[m], mebbe pooled mining?
08:29:48 <wfaressuissia> Nothing interesting is solution based on unverifiable centralized information and attack for clear-net. The final goal is to work behind anonymization network which allows cheap identity rotation, everything else is BS.
08:40:12 <malinero> "unverifiable centralized information" ?
09:26:31 <wfaressuissia> "https://github.com/rrybarczyk/asmap-rs -> https://data.ris.ripe.net/rrc22/2021.09/" these every 5 minutes updates of IP->tag map aren't verifiable
09:28:37 <wfaressuissia> And even they would be verifiable nothing stops someone to use many front-ends nodes in order to bypass this new magic peer selection
09:31:42 <malinero> wfaressuissia: theoretically speaking, anyone could generate these data, nope ? 
09:35:50 <wfaressuissia> no, judging by that rust repo; otherwise they would write some crawler or generator instead of downloader from third party entity
09:38:21 <malinero> ok, thanks :)
16:33:32 <isthmus> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EinNRIZM/image.png
16:34:48 <isthmus> Playing around with some data from @neptune, visualizing the timing relationship between when outputs are created (y-axis) and then later referenced in rings (x-axis)
16:35:40 <isthmus> The vertical banding is due to the weekly variability in Monero transaction volume, and is thus not significant. (I'm working on normalization methods to remove the 'seasonality')
16:36:37 <wfaressuissia> I was watching some old conference video and noticed you isthmus  walking in front of camera :D
16:36:54 <isthmus> Haha oops!
16:37:00 <isthmus> The horizontal banding and 'ant farm' style veins at the upper left are interesting though...
16:38:06 <isthmus> Ah and you can use the dots at the top to get a sense of scale, they (conveniently) show week spacing
16:50:43 * isthmus zooms in on x/y/color to check out the ant farm
16:50:45 <isthmus> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nWLr5vNV/image.png
16:52:31 <Rucknium[m]> So interesting. It's probably services or exchanges or mining pools doing something.
16:52:49 <Rucknium[m]> This thing looks like it came out of a fax machine
16:53:11 <Rucknium[m]> with failing toner
16:57:45 <hyc> heh yeah a dying thermal printer
18:40:48 <carrington[m]> Is there support for an MRL meeting this coming Wednesday at  17:00 UTC? (was mentioned earlier in the scroll back)
18:43:47 <UkoeHB> yes I think so
18:47:32 <Rucknium[m]> There seems to be a ton to discuss. I'm not sure why we wouldn't have a meeting, unless there is an issue with scheduling conflicts or something.
21:11:27 <isthmus> Looks like the disproportionately large number of txns with N=11 outputs continues, this is 2021 YTD data
21:11:29 <isthmus> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0i9gU9R8/image.png
21:46:11 <UkoeHB> some pool software?
22:09:30 <Inge> why would they do 11 and not 16?
22:55:31 <UkoeHB> 10 + change