00:00:17 <Rucknium[m]> "We have successfully launched the preparation phase and setup phase into the Monero mainnet. The setup phase consists  of  1  thread  with  r  =  5.  The  transaction  ID  for  the preparation phase is  
00:00:17 <Rucknium[m]> b6781f2a6f5608553546442b84888346fdc3f78dd8995170180ed74081c05362 "
00:00:31 <Rucknium[m]> Ok, so that's a quote from a 2018 paper, but it gives one pause
00:00:31 <Rucknium[m]> https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/348.pdf
00:01:20 <Rucknium[m]> I suppose MRL already knew about this paper, but it is interesting that researchers were actively fiddling with the blockchain as far back as 2018.
06:32:11 <Halver[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "In Computer Science, what is..." <- an "heuristic" is often used to qualify a method/algorithm which simply works, 
06:32:11 <Halver[m]> could sometimes have emerged from practice (ie is old),
06:32:11 <Halver[m]> and often you don't know exactly why it works.
06:32:11 <Halver[m]> ... roughly summarized.
08:29:22 <hyc> a heuristic also tends to have no defined stopping point, as opposed to algorithms which have deterministic endpoints
08:30:35 <hyc> heuristics "usually" work but can also jusst blow up into infinite loops, undefined behavior, etc.
08:30:54 <hyc> by definition, algorithms don't do that.
13:56:13 <Rucknium[m]> Halver  hyc  Thank you. I have a clearer idea now.
14:36:47 <binaryFate> A heuristic is a non-exact algorithm. It might provides you with the exact/optimal solution to a problem, but without a proof that the solution is indeed exact
22:53:10 <sgp_[m]1> Some analysis on the WannaCry laundering effort through Monero:
22:53:12 <sgp_[m]1> https://www.databreachtoday.com/crypto-exchange-bug-reveals-north-korean-monero-laundering-a-17629
22:53:21 <sgp_[m]1> https://medium.com/@nbax/tracing-the-wannacry-2-0-monero-transactions-d8c1e5129dc1
23:39:09 <atomfried[m]> UkoeHB: i am not able to optimize `ge_scalarmult_p3()`it goes straight over my head, i would have to study this function for at least a week/month to understand what the hell is going on there 😅 i am sorry