03:16:51 <boogerlad[m]> UkoeHB: does seraphis change the ux of multisig at all? I'm working on including monero at an exchange but don't want the work to go to waste
03:32:57 <UkoeHB> no
03:34:33 <boogerlad[m]> nice, thanks!
07:08:34 <Halver[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "A working list of MRL open..." <- great work Rucknium Thanks.
07:20:32 <aberdeenik[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "https://github.com/monero-..." <- Nice, you can add an additional column for bounties.
08:44:31 <midipoet> Rucknium[m]: is that list meant for technical research only, or are qualitative (type) research topics also admitted?
11:11:00 <Rucknium[m]> midipoet: Sure, let's add qualitative research topics as well.
18:48:40 <RohitSaikrishnan> I am new to group everyone..
18:48:49 <RohitSaikrishnan> How can start to contribute or get involved
18:49:45 <Rucknium[m]> Rohit Saikrishnan: Great! Well, I just put together a list of open research questions. They are not very descriptive at the moment, however.
18:49:54 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/94
18:50:59 <Rucknium[m]> What area of research could you help with? The main areas may be cryptography, graph theory, game theory, statistics, and others
18:55:28 <RohitSaikrishnan> I currently do my research thesis on Game Theory and Learning
18:55:41 <RohitSaikrishnan> so Game Theory is my expertise.. I can say
18:56:31 <Rucknium[m]> What kind of learning? Human learning? Bayesian learning?
18:56:32 <RohitSaikrishnan> and Statistics too..
18:56:35 <Rucknium[m]> Great
18:57:01 <Rucknium[m]> Well, we have a lot of statistical issue to work on
18:57:09 <RohitSaikrishnan> AI learning.. more like use literature from Behavirol Game Theory to train agents..
18:57:25 <RohitSaikrishnan> but yeah I have exposure to Auction Theory and Mechanism Design
18:58:39 <RohitSaikrishnan> Rucknium[m]: Bayesian Learning is the core of it..
18:59:20 <Rucknium[m]> Oh good! There is lots you could work on. We have the dynamic block size algorithm and the fee policy that could use the attention of someone with mechanism design knowledge.
18:59:23 <RohitSaikrishnan> Rucknium[m]: Cool Sounds interesting
19:00:35 <Rucknium[m]> I don't know how deeply or quickly you want to dive in, but here is a current issue I am working on:
19:00:45 <Rucknium[m]> with a few others
19:01:07 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/86
19:01:20 <Rucknium[m]> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/Rucknium-OSPEAD-Fortifying-Monero-Against-Statistical-Attack.html
19:01:44 <Rucknium[m]> ^ These are statistical issues
19:04:38 <RohitSaikrishnan> Cool 
19:04:44 <RohitSaikrishnan> Thanks for sharing
19:04:53 <RohitSaikrishnan> I will read them..
19:08:05 <Rucknium[m]> Great. I am looking forward to your thoughts.
19:12:50 <RohitSaikrishnan> are there any issues in game theory as well.. that I can lookup
19:14:06 <Rucknium[m]> Yes...
19:15:51 <Rucknium[m]> ArticMine can link some more relevant resources regarding transaction fee policy and dynamic block size. It's basically an auction for block space.
19:16:16 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/70
19:16:22 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7819
19:16:57 <Rucknium[m]> See also this paper that deals with BTC, but is applicable to Monero
19:16:57 <Rucknium[m]> https://academic.oup.com/restud/advance-article/doi/10.1093/restud/rdab014/6169547
19:18:07 <Rucknium[m]> There are also some potential game theoretic issues with enforcement of a dynamic decoy selection algorithm, but I don't have much written material about that at the moment since it is a fairly new issue.
19:19:28 <RohitSaikrishnan> okay okay..
19:19:35 <RohitSaikrishnan> Thanks for your inputs..
19:20:27 <Rucknium[m]> Welcome!
20:10:52 <ArticMine> There is not much on this other than my presentation. It is for the most part a verboten subject in the Bitcoin community 
20:11:11 <ArticMine> I gave a tale on this at 36c3 https://frab.riat.at/en/36C3/public/events/125 
20:11:17 <ArticMine> talk
20:12:51 <ArticMine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btauHXDIM8M
20:13:10 <ArticMine> This describes the current situation
20:14:36 <ArticMine> It's basically an auction for block space <--- It basically comes down to the additional penalty paid to add a transaction assuming a free market of miners and users
20:14:36 <UkoeHB> There is also ZtM2 chapter 7
20:15:46 <ArticMine> The min fee is based upon adding a tx right at the start of the penalty. 
20:17:44 <Rucknium[m]> Rohit Saikrishnan: ^ These are additional resources you could examine.
20:51:47 <Lyza> musing on: possibility of choosing (some) decoys intelligently rather than randomly
20:51:59 <Lyza> for example: looking at transactions by other people that include outputs you own in rings, then including outputs created by those TXs in subsequent rings composed by your wallet. goal being to make transactions that aren't yours look more like they might be
23:26:35 <carrington[m]> Lyza, I think a MRL github issue might be a good place to discuss your idea of treating coinbase txn differently. Could link it back to sgp's idea of coinbase-only rings
23:26:54 <carrington[m]> Otherwise it will just be lost in the logs here