07:22:27 <DogeStandard[m]> How much more decoy we will have with seraphis compare to current state (11)?
07:25:36 <selsta> DogeStandard[m]: not clear yet. something between 32-128 possibly.
07:25:54 <selsta> the problem is verification gets quite slow if you go above 128
07:26:43 <DogeStandard[m]> Ring size grow logarithmically? It should be more than that?
07:27:02 <DogeStandard[m]> selsta: Ring size or decoy number is this?
07:42:17 <selsta> DogeStandard[m]: verification doesn't scale logarithmically
07:50:45 <Reuben[m]> Verification grows linearly unfortunately
07:53:44 <DogeStandard[m]> How come firo can have 65k anonymity sets?
07:53:44 <DogeStandard[m]> Is currently 11 decoy enough?
08:02:59 <Reuben[m]> Different trade offs. We use pools of anonymity with sliding windows. Verification time is slow but mitigated hugely by batching techniques. As we use pools of anonymity, as long as you're in same pool you get batching benefits. If you're drawing from several pools then we have multi core optimizations where each thread will process each pool. 
08:03:15 <Reuben[m]> Btw thanks to UkoeHB for identifying the multisig issue 
08:05:05 <Reuben[m]> Would be interesting to see maybe in Rucknium's  specialty to see how large an anon set it is to make it practically function like a global anon set 
08:28:17 <DogeStandard[m]> Btw we pnly have 10 decoys currently right?
08:28:17 <DogeStandard[m]> Why monero is still virtually untraceable with just 10 decoys?
08:28:17 <DogeStandard[m]> 1/11 chance of cracking?
08:37:08 * moneromooo feels so sad at what #monero-research-lab has become
10:19:19 * garth resonates :(
10:31:58 <hyc> ...
10:41:28 <wernervasquez[m]> moneromooo: I suspect I understand what you mean, but would you care to be explicit?
10:47:58 <moneromooo> I mean most chat here isn't research. There's a lot of stuff that's really #monero stuff and #monero-dev stuff.
10:50:12 <ErCiccione> We could increase moderation and redirect general chats to -lounge
10:50:21 <ErCiccione> if that's what people want
10:51:16 <ErCiccione> or to the other channels actually. I'd be happy to help the conversation more focused in this room
10:51:34 <moneromooo> I'm just in the gallery here, I'm not asking for that, it was just a comment. If people like ukoehb rucknium etc are fine with it, I'm fine with it.
10:56:36 <ErCiccione> selsta luigi1111 binaryfate could any of you give me powers on libera? So we can synchronize with matrix and avoid moderation issues (i'm admin in the matrix room)
10:57:14 <binaryFate> You mean OP you in this channel?
10:57:20 <ErCiccione> yep
10:58:55 <binaryFate> what moderation issues do you have in mind?
11:01:05 <ErCiccione> binaryFate: If there are no shared mods, actions on IRC won't effect matrix and the other way round too. Ideally every Monero IRC room has also a mod on Matrix. Some settings would be also synchronized (like the description of the channel, which is different in the two rooms)
11:01:34 <ErCiccione> If preferred somebody else with powers on IRC can make a matrix account and i can give them powers on matrix
11:04:52 <binaryFate> ErCiccione ok I'll come back to you
11:11:01 <wernervasquez[m]> One thing that drew me to monero is the culture of extremely smart, active community members taking the time to answer a question - even if it turns out it was stupid. (Not present for many other cryptos).
11:11:01 <wernervasquez[m]> I know there are other channels, but a name like "AskMoneroResearch" would speak to me. A place for normal people to ask smart people questions. The name "Lounge" doesn't communicate that to me, personally (but might be exactly that).
11:11:01 <wernervasquez[m]> If you increase moderation in MRL (completely understandable) please do so in a welcoming way (as I have usually seen here).
11:26:17 <selsta> we have #monero-research-lounge for more casual talk
11:26:33 <selsta> oh sorry, you wrote that
11:46:16 <hyc> lounge may not be obvious, but it ought to be obvious that certain topics are not relevant to -lab.
12:49:49 <wernervasquez[m]> selsta hyc I think that lounge is a serviceable name. And I think that welcoming moderation would guide me there. e.g. "great question. please repost in lounge. I'll answer there."
12:49:49 <wernervasquez[m]> Speaking as an average person, judging solely on name, "lab" is like a flame that attracts me, "lounge" does not. But if I had seen "AskMoneroResearchLab", I would intuitively have known that is where I should go. (In fact, I would have preferred to go there).
12:49:49 <wernervasquez[m]> I don't ask work questions in a lounge at work (rude). I let people relax. I ask them where they work (possibly rude, but less so).
12:49:49 <wernervasquez[m]> Also, rooms can be dead. To discourage people from cross posting to get attention, a bot in such a room that acknowledges them and sets expections would help "hey new guy, we hear you! you are in the right place, but sometimes it takes hours for someone to reply. Please do not cross post / repost today. Thank you" (and actual users also acknowledging them would help).
12:57:00 <binaryFate> ErCiccione: ok you're OP now for the purpose of liaising with matrix side. Please note that it may be removed if there are disagreements about moderation.
12:58:00 <ErCiccione> binaryFate: sure 🙂
12:58:30 <binaryFate> fixed topic haveno -> monero
12:58:54 <ErCiccione> whoops
12:59:59 <ErCiccione> thanks, fixed
14:35:48 <coinstudent2048[> Oh... If I have research "updates", I'll post here from now on.
18:13:36 <MRL-discord> <BobbedBort> think so
18:18:08 <UkoeHB> made a PR for the multisig flaw discussed yesterday: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8220