11:29:19 Speaking of minimum fees: is the minimum fee (greater than 0) 1 piconero/byte or 1 piconero/tx? 11:29:41 It is 0. 11:30:10 Right, but what's the next increment? 11:30:26 Any amount is valid. 11:31:05 Ok, so the smallest non-zero fee is 1 piconero/tx 11:32:04 I was asking because it occured to me that I could do the same kind of security analysis (from the pov of tx fees supporting the network hashrate) as I'm doing for Bitcoin 11:33:42 The tail emission is nice because it provides a stable income, but a malicious actor could try to force prolonged period of block growth, forcing the blocksize to the maximum and forcing the reward penalty to 100% 11:34:39 But this penalty would only affect the attacker (and any miners that "trust" their nodes/pools), so the rest of the network could keep operating as usual in a sustainable way 11:34:43 Sounds like a self defeating action. 11:35:22 I'm thinking in terms of trying to destabilize the stability of the mining network 11:37:05 The reward penalty, on its own, has the side-effect of decreasing the mining incentive, thus reducing the maximum network size that could be supported by it 11:37:53 So a strong sustained growth would decrease the security of the network at a critical moment of increased usage 11:39:27 Luckily we have the small "penalty-free" zone that allows a miner to include a few extra txes without incurring in a net loss, so small sustained growth is possible without any repercussions on the mining security 11:41:35 I'm planning to take a deeper look into this in the future (once I'm done with the current projects), but I thought I'd throw it out there in case anyone has any inputs on the topic 17:24:56 hi 17:25:54 hi 17:53:44 Hi atoc 17:54:08 what's going on 17:54:38 I have more free time these days to contribute! 18:24:25 dced, do we still have a chat archive? 18:26:23 atoc: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20220509 18:26:44 you could also get a matrix account, matrix has bridges to the monero IRC rooms 18:26:51 will do 18:27:01 I didn't miss anything so that's good 18:27:17 what have you been working on UkoeHB seems like there's a lot of stuff 18:27:35 I think starting off developing will help me transition into research 18:32:20 atoc: I have been working on my seraphis proof of concept (and trying to get monero multisig working). 19:04:59 Can you provide more details on the Seraphis PoC? 19:05:18 there may be something I can help out with 19:05:40 the code is here: https://github.com/UkoeHB/monero/tree/seraphis_lib 19:06:18 I am just building it up piece by piece. This week I am writing an input selection solver (select inputs to cover output amount + fee). 19:09:39 One thing on my todo is to investigate using Curve25519 for the sender-receiver DH exchange. Most of it is just adding the library/interface to use Curve25519 if you want to look into it 19:10:17 atoc: lots of good info here if you want to dig into something else as well: https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/94 19:10:55 atoc: here is a reference point for what I want to do https://gist.github.com/tevador/50160d160d24cfc6c52ae02eb3d17024?permalink_comment_id=4049913#gistcomment-4049913 19:11:15 atoc: also, if you want to join Matrix instead of IRC, you can follow one of the guides here: https://forum.monero.space/d/83-join-the-monero-core-team-matrix-server 19:13:07 I also have 'more verbose exception messages' if you want something menial lol. 19:34:38 thanks for the resources sethforprivacy and UkoeHB 19:34:41 will read through it 19:34:45 and yes I should make a matrix account 19:34:52 have you considered using discord? 19:39:21 Discord is closed source, cannot be self-hosted and does not support e2e encryption. 19:43:56 but they have a discord server, listed in the "Join the Monero Core Team Matrix server" page 19:44:50 I'm in it but it's not very active