11:08:17 <monerobull[m]> do you guys think zcash will hardfork the massive transactions out of the chain or is that not possible bcs shielded?
11:10:34 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Do you guys think monero is vulnerable to the same attack?
11:11:16 <monerobull[m]> not anywhere near to this extent
11:11:47 <monerobull[m]> there was a flood last yera
11:11:48 <monerobull[m]> https://mitchellpkt.medium.com/fingerprinting-a-flood-forensic-statistical-analysis-of-the-mid-2021-monero-transaction-volume-a19cbf41ce60
11:12:15 <monerobull[m]> which lead to the recent fee changes
12:00:17 <Rucknium[m]> monerobull: Probably not, but one of their wallet's new antispam features now doesn't scan shielded tx with more than 20 outputs: https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/announcement-ywallet-1-2-14/42478/6
12:01:19 <Rucknium[m]> Monero was potentially subject to a Big Bang attack 4 years ago. It was fixed: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/aj21yt/big_bang_attack_on_xmr/
12:38:30 <monerobull[m]> 300 GB a day could have killed the chain, holy moly
13:07:29 <ajs_[m]> monerobull:  not sure how they could possibly fork now since the attack has been going on since June
13:08:55 <monerobull[m]> well, if the shielding werent a problem, cant they pull an ETH and kick the bad transactions out while keeping the regular ones?
13:09:23 <monerobull[m]> tbh i havent really looked into how exactly The DAO was reversed
13:09:26 <hyc> rewind their chain all the way back to June?
13:10:14 <monerobull[m]> how far did ETH rewind?
13:10:56 <hyc> was only a couple days before they decided, iirc
13:12:20 <monerobull[m]> hm ok, i always assumed they kinda took the blockchain, cut out the whole dao thing and kept it going lmao
13:12:23 <hyc> undoing 5 months worth of transactions .... if the chain had any users, they'd be screaming bloody murder
13:13:41 <hyc> at any rate, zcash is basically irrelevant. nobody on darkweb uses it, and they're the people who care the most, have the most to lose
13:13:55 <hyc> if you can't prove your usecase there, you have none.
13:14:11 <monerobull[m]> blocks would have to be re-mined to keep existing normal transactions, right
13:14:18 <hyc> yes
13:14:44 <hyc> tho they could rewind *and* switch to PoS, then they don't need the miners to cooperate
13:15:26 <monerobull[m]> i just hope their little internal struggle doesnt lead to unnecessary bloat on monero from people who have no idea whats going on 
13:16:01 <hyc> bloat on monero? how?
13:16:17 <monerobull[m]> hyc: yeah, thought this too. they could be already running a private beacon chain that ignores the bloat transactions
13:17:03 <monerobull[m]> hyc: burning money on spam transactions? i know it cant get nearly as bad as with them but we can still gain a couple mb that wouldnt be there otherwise
13:17:24 <hyc> and that's why the base fee was raised 5x in the last upgrade
13:19:04 <monerobull[m]> i know
13:20:46 <monerobull[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "monerobull: Probably not, but..." <- what would this even do, just make it faster for light-wallet users?
13:20:49 <hyc> dunno who's behind the zec attack, but IMO govts aren't going to attack monero. they see its usefulness as a tool, they'll support it just like they support tor.
13:21:02 <monerobull[m]> the chain is still massive
13:21:21 <monerobull[m]> its very likely some disgruntled ZEC dev or investor
13:21:50 <hyc> yeah, probably
13:22:11 <monerobull[m]> i remember when they first started spamming transactions, they went to vanity-burn-wallets calling zooko a fraudster, asking for specific devs to be paid more, etc
13:22:47 <monerobull[m]> looks like they have refined their methods and now bloat more effectively 
13:23:23 <hyc> all well-deserved criticisms I'm sure
13:24:02 <hyc> but also futile - why would they have ever expected such a shadily launched project to be better than that?
13:40:36 <monerobull[m]> idk, brainwashed? why would anyone want to get into zec