07:57:30 <someguyalder[m]> hello sorry i am looking for Rucknium
07:57:55 <someguyalder[m]> I would like to donate to him for his work on monero. On his website i am only able to donate to his bitcoin cash work, which i dont want to do :)
07:59:42 <someguyalder[m]>  * x
08:01:06 <someguyalder[m]>  * x
08:03:09 <someguyalder[m]> Can anyone kindly tell me why it takes quiet a long time for seraphis and OSPEAD to be merged to actual codebase of monero? as far as i understand from the ccs tasks they are completed
08:04:56 <merope> Can't rush these things: if there's a bug or a critical flaw in their logic and/or implementation, it would be a disaster for Monero
08:06:46 <someguyalder[m]> Understood. May i give my feedback: There is no way to donate to the right people more directly. For example. I saw the OSPEAD stuff and am now looking for rucknium here to donate to him directly. I dont feel like putting money in the general fund (which i also do) does incentivice the great minds to use their free time to come up with stuff. Because they have to come up with it, before there is funding required via CCS
08:10:51 <someguyalder[m]> and also, i'm sure you are all great minds :)
12:28:28 <UkoeHB> someguyalder[m]: seraphis still has a long road of development ahead of it
12:28:38 <UkoeHB> and OPSEAD doesn't even have a proof of concept afaik
13:01:15 <one-horse-wagon[> UkoeHB: I listened to your Seraphis lecture and maybe I missed it, but is there someplace you posted your coding?
13:02:52 <one-horse-wagon[> * your coding?  Your work was most admirable.
13:04:01 <UkoeHB> one-horse-wagon[: https://github.com/UkoeHB/monero/tree/seraphis_lib
13:12:23 <UkoeHB> the seraphis migration resources put together so far are here: https://github.com/seraphis-migration
13:19:55 <Rucknium[m]> someguyalder: Hi! Thank you for your interest in my work. OSPEAD was delayed by about 6 months since the original proposal assumed that the Fluorine Fermi hard fork would happen in about February. It eventually happened in August. The hard fork was expected to cause a statistical discontinuity in transactions on the blockchain.
13:21:36 <Rucknium[m]> And there was a discontinuity. Transaction volume fell by about 50% in the days after the hard fork and many Monero wallet developers failed to update their code in time for the hard fork, preventing their users from being about to transact (MyMonero, Exodus, Coinomi, etc.)
13:23:06 <Rucknium[m]> One of three milestone have been completed in the CCS proposal. Right now the scientific review panel is reviewing the proposed estimation specification.
13:24:14 <Rucknium[m]> Maybe plowsof could add static addresses to Wishlist as a Service (should be easy). In the meantime, here is my PGP-signed XMR address: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/255#note_18750
13:24:33 <Rucknium[m]> Any donations are much appreciated ^_^
16:24:38 <CidadoisAncap[m]> 🗿👍
17:22:28 <shachar1236[m]> Hi, I am trying to build the RingCT code from the repository but I get the following error: mingw32-make.exe: *** No rule to make target 'clean'.  Stop
17:22:49 <shachar1236[m]> It says that it dosent have a make file, why?
17:38:51 <moneromooo> What are "the RingCT code" and "the repository" ?
17:40:29 <shachar1236[m]> the repository is this https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab
17:41:06 <moneromooo> Ah, no idea then, sorry.
17:41:17 <shachar1236[m]> and inside the repository is a cpp implemantation of ring signatures in a folder named RingCT 
17:41:34 <moneromooo> Is there a CMakeLists.txt ?
17:41:52 <moneromooo> If so: mkdir build && cd build && cmake .. && cd .. && make -C build
17:42:16 <shachar1236[m]> no, it dosent have cmake
17:42:18 <rbrunner> Nope. https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/tree/master/source-code/RingCT
17:42:26 <rbrunner> Naked code
17:43:22 <shachar1236[m]> rbrunner: what do you mean?
17:43:41 <rbrunner> That there is no CMakeLists.txt file to drive make
17:43:53 <shachar1236[m]> moneromooo: It only have a runtest.bat that should compile the code but its not working
17:44:44 <rbrunner> Well, that stuff is 7 years old. Are you sure that you will get from this what you want?
17:45:36 <rbrunner> Maybe that's also the reason that the batchfile is not working anymore with modern mingw32
17:45:48 <rbrunner> Would probably be mingw64 now anyway ...
17:46:14 <shachar1236[m]> rbrunner: Well, I want the implementation of the ring signatures, I cant figure out how to extract it from the monero repo so I thougth I would get it from this repo
17:46:49 <rbrunner> Ah, ok
17:46:50 <shachar1236[m]> I you know how I can extract the code from the Monero repo I would be happy
17:47:31 <rbrunner> Hmm, maybe that code would have other problems, like using a lot of other stuff from the Monero code, that depending on your intended use could be problematic
17:48:02 <shachar1236[m]> I cant found good libraris of linkable ring signatures , so I thougth that the monero ring signatures implementation would be good
17:48:06 <rbrunner> But anyway, it's not even sure that this very old code is fully correct, if you ask me. Probably a very early experiment, abandoned at some point
17:48:46 <shachar1236[m]> rbrunner: nooooooooooooo
17:49:14 <shachar1236[m]> rbrunner: Yes that was my problem when 
17:50:24 <shachar1236[m]> that was my problem when I tried to extract the ring sig code from the monero repository it kept complaining that its missing files
17:51:48 <rbrunner> Maybe you have to go the long journey and learn enough about all this to know your way around, and e.g. write a CMakeLists.txt for that code yourself
17:52:19 <rbrunner> I think for "people in the know" that should not be a big task.
17:52:41 <rbrunner> You could put a bounty on it :)
17:52:51 <shachar1236[m]> rbrunner: Do you know someone that could help me with that?
17:53:03 <shachar1236[m]> rbrunner: What do you mean?
17:53:08 <shachar1236[m]> what is a bounty?
17:53:40 <rbrunner> A payment to get people to do it for you: https://bounties.monero.social/
17:53:52 <rbrunner> With an amount that depends on the size of the job, of course
17:55:05 <rbrunner> Oh, I think that site is the other way round, here people offer to work and wait for donations maybe ...
17:57:10 <rbrunner> But as I said, I think it's a considerable risk to go into production with that code, and the author is probably not available for questions anymore
17:58:23 <shachar1236[m]> Ok, thanks you!! I will keep looking for other linkable ring signatures implemantations
17:58:35 <rbrunner> Welcome
17:59:07 <Rucknium[m]> rbrunner: bounties.monero.social can work both ways. Mostly it's people wanting something to be done, and hoping for someone to provide labor to do it.
17:59:31 <rbrunner> Thanks, so I did not closely enough.
17:59:52 <rbrunner> *not look