19:00:01 what would be the implications if monero just decides going with a patented scheme? 19:09:55 Can't you just re-implement the math in new code using a clean room standard? Mathematics cannot be patented. 19:10:10 There is always risk with writing new code, of course. 19:22:46 Whoa, what did I miss! Post-quantum monero?? 19:33:56 You probably missed the coin swap deadline then ? 21:38:47 I have no idea what you're talking about, sounds like I have to read a lot :) 21:54:12 amazing! 21:57:47 what schemes are we talking about? 21:57:47 specifically about NTRU, look at https://cr.yp.to/patents/us/7929688.html for example 21:57:47 about kyber, look at https://csrc.nist.gov/csrc/media/Projects/post-quantum-cryptography/documents/selected-algos-2022/nist-pqc-license-summary-and-excerpts.pdf and https://csrc.nist.gov/csrc/media/Projects/post-quantum-cryptography/documents/selected-algos-2022/final-ip-statements/CRYSTALS-Kyber-Statements-final.pdf 21:57:48 these seem to suggest that,that version is truly free, but others might not be 21:59:03 Falcon is the one whose implementation has a patent: https://csrc.nist.gov/csrc/media/Projects/post-quantum-cryptography/documents/selected-algos-2022/final-ip-statements/Falcon-Statements-final.pdf 21:59:13 Look at which checkbox is checked 21:59:36 mooo's comment was a joke by the way. 22:04:24 ah, Falcon, yes. 22:04:25 I understand now, I didn't know atomic swaps are already working 22:04:25 very cool stuff 22:08:19 those were just examples, to show math _can_ be patented... it seems to be the same case here: https://patents.google.com/patent/US7308097B2/en 22:10:53 or, at least, the construction of the primitives... I guess