18:29:16 <m-relay> <c​haserene:matrix.org> kayabanerve:  do you have an estimate for a 2/2 tx under FCMP+SA+L with and without OVK+FS? I believe the scaling proposal ArticMine is working on considers future transaction sizes as a factor, but las
19:34:12 <m-relay> <c​haserene:matrix.org> ^ sorry everyone, disregard that message. I accidentally tapped Enter it while still searching for the answer (which I did find)
20:47:37 <UkoeHB> Over in #no-wallet-left-behind (see https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/993 ) I proposed implementing a Grootle proof for cryptonote as an intermediate hardfork before Seraphis, inspired by kayabanerve's technique for FCMP. Here is a little gist outlining the proof (which someone else would need to adopt and work on): https://gist.github.com/UkoeHB/9416da695021b2bc3d79e4ea8c05815d. It would probably allow 32 - 
20:47:37 <UkoeHB> 64 size rings without large perf/tx size cost, which would require moving to binned reference sets.
20:48:48 <UkoeHB> Figuring out multisig for that signature scheme may be a problem, since it uses 1/k. So alternative proof ideas are welcome.
20:51:11 <UkoeHB> The bottom-line restriction is Grootle layers can be thought of as Schnorr signatures between a signing key selected from a ring and a base point. So there are limited transformations you can make.