15:19:25 <br-m> <syntheticbird> coup d'etat
15:57:13 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @rucknium:monero.social: don't hesitate to take a pause. Your hands are on fire
15:59:38 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> for the visually impaired, matrix is being dumped alot of event changes. right clicking on any will reveal that is was done in 1 event however matrix in all its wisdom must send an event for each user permission change from within that event 
16:00:18 <br-m> <syntheticbird> LMAO
16:02:56 <DataHoarder> yeah plowsof. sounds about right for Matrix
16:08:23 <br-m> <rucknium> @irc_privacyx:monero.social 10
16:08:28 <br-m> <rucknium> Oops
16:17:01 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I'm objectively superior to you all
16:17:25 <br-m> <syntheticbird> this was just a test message
16:18:58 <br-m> <syntheticbird> oh wait i can
16:30:18 <br-m> <rucknium> MODERATION NOTICE: On the Matrix side, I got a list of everyone who spoke in this channel in the last year. I upgraded their Matrix user power to 10. I upgraded IRC users, too, because DataHoarder 's new bridge opens one Matrix user per IRC user. (Some IRC users aren't in the room right now. I will need to upgrade them when they appear.)
16:31:58 <br-m> <rucknium> At present, the user power level needed to send a message in this room is 0, the default user power level. If stronger moderation is needed, the power level setting can be raised to 10. AFAIK, this is similar to how "voice" works in IRC.
16:32:26 <br-m> <rucknium> I don't have OPS on the IRC side, so you are on your own over there ;)
16:32:30 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> You have to change the settings
16:33:00 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Most people just change the "send messages" power lvl to 1
16:33:56 <br-m> <rucknium> Right. @syntheticbird:monero.social  and I did a test where I changed the settings for permission to send a message from 0 and 10, and back again.
16:34:11 <br-m> <syntheticbird> big granularity
16:34:28 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> could just be slow, but it says that send permission is at "default"
16:34:36 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Oh, i see
16:34:45 <br-m> <syntheticbird> it's actually unlocked sir
16:34:51 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Its supposed to be set to 0/default right now?
16:34:59 <br-m> <rucknium> It's not enabled. Possible to enable it, at the push of a button.
16:35:08 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> ^ yeah. Lol. Bad reading > <@rucknium> At present, the user power level needed to send a message in this room is 0, the default user power level. If stronger moderation is needed, the power level setting can be raised to 10. AFAIK, this is similar to how "voice" works in IRC.
16:36:13 <br-m> <rucknium> If somehow I missed you and you want to speak (when the moderation setting is enabled), please ping me in #monero-research-lounge:monero.social  .
16:37:22 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> (test)
16:38:27 <br-m> <rucknium> @interestingband:matrix.org: You have power level 10, but that's not necessarily a permanent status.
16:53:51 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> It feels like it's permament becasue I know too much
16:56:37 <br-m> <rucknium> @interestingband:matrix.org: If you know if a multisig vulnerability, then go through the Vulnerability Response Process: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/blob/master/VULNERABILITY_RESPONSE_PROCESS.md
16:56:49 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> You can check from members list your level
16:56:57 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> luigi1111, the person, behind it, scammed me :D
16:57:06 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> no payment for multisig fix
16:57:15 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> and luigi111 is the person who created those vulnerabilites
16:57:30 <br-m> <rucknium> I won't hesitate to give you an effective ban if the circumstances warrant it, regardless of any vulnerabilities you may suspect to exist.
16:57:33 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> becasue he "designed" multisig  initially
16:58:07 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> band, if you think nothing gets broken then idk what to tell you
16:58:22 <br-m> <rucknium> The circumstances don't warrant it at present.
16:58:30 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> conflict of interests, it's pointless to go that way because it won't help to fix problems
16:59:37 <br-m> <rucknium> @interestingband:matrix.org: You need to go some way with it or stop bringing it up in irrelevant contexts, please.
16:59:58 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> I told back then that all stat analysis is BS, becasue with proper cryptography there should be nothing to fingerprint
17:00:54 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> and that statistical defense is BS, becasue in real world attacker isn't passive and can inject arbitrary transactions into blockchain
17:01:59 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> you can only count smth that is already happened, instead of thinking in perspective and creating proper defense about future attacks
17:02:12 <br-m> <rucknium> It is expected that FCMP will close those vulnerabilities (statistical analysis of ring member distribution and black marble flooding). Network analysis would still be possible.
17:02:54 <br-m> <rucknium> Maybe FCMP qualifies as "proper cryptography" for you.
17:03:08 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> "I won't hesitate" you were coop with that scammer and still coop with him under new nickname, what are you talking about ? you have clear conflict of interest and you certainly don't prioritize this project goals over your own
17:03:26 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> @interestingband:matrix.org: what he said wrong?
17:04:03 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> It's almost like if that scammer would have mod permissions here and were saying to me this "I won't hesitate to give you an effective ban"
17:04:03 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> under new nickname?
17:04:05 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> hahahahaha
17:04:08 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> do it
17:04:16 <br-m> <rucknium> You mean mj? I was naive about mj. I thought his record of contributions was legitimate. I apologize for being naive.
17:04:35 <DataHoarder> bring it in a different channel, @interestingband:matrix.org, as you have been noted several times. As others have moved to these to keep talking (and been heard) but no, this is not the relevant channel
17:04:39 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> you will just prove my point that nothing can bechanged without removal of professionals like you from here
17:04:51 <DataHoarder> Just, not this channel
17:04:52 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I still think there is some chance that interestingband is actually not the real guy that is waiting his money but an alt that is impersonating him in the wait to send an address
17:05:05 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> haven't seen someone doing Ruck work before in the community, if you have proof to back up with then tell otherwise this is straight lying.
17:05:32 <br-m> <rucknium> Please take this conversation to #monero-research-lounge:monero.social
17:06:11 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: nice shizo thinking alwas 🚀
17:06:58 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> @rucknium: You don't get it, I had questions about work that you both were doing; and he is still here under 0xfffc nickname; "apologies" do useful work, people like you can easily say arbitrary BS and change their mind later
17:07:43 <br-m> <interestingband:matrix.org> (test)
17:09:42 <tevador> ^ Wrong channel.
17:11:34 <jpk68> Are both of these proposals still being considered, or is one meant to be in place of the other?
17:11:37 <jpk68> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8827
17:11:42 <jpk68> https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/98
17:12:30 <DataHoarder> that'd happen next hardfork, which is still quite ages from now
17:12:45 <jpk68> which one?
17:12:46 <jpk68> or both
17:13:20 <DataHoarder> both require hardfork or at least a softfork
17:13:42 <tevador> Both require a hard fork.
17:14:39 <jpk68> Thanks.
17:40:55 <br-m> <drinksomemilk:matrix.org> /whoami
17:52:48 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> @syntheticbird: gpg confirmed