00:10:57 <DataHoarder> above list of Qubic blocks updated for epoch 175, total of 8181 entries https://irc.gammaspectra.live/1971e3934d09f2ff/qubic-blocks-epoch175.csv 
00:11:44 <DataHoarder> epoch 175: 45hzuq7TBR3J89EXkAmZuqYDGbpdCxf5qXU2dMYb5jorR2JuS7V4T9XhuMAGwF7CG895Suf6XR4PUWbLUhB5UnzcS3d6MDy / View key: 9267d1762b0f3262029be73e30f5158159c2f38e86b9d745231e57141afccd0a
00:29:24 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> kayabanerve: thoughts on the detective mining thinger? https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/140
00:31:35 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> <n​ioc> the word "just" should be banned from the english language as it serves no purpose
00:31:39 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> such a natzee.
00:39:40 * nioc wonders who rotten is talking about 
00:40:35 <nioc> Sorry, I must of had a stroke. Please continue 
00:55:25 <DataHoarder> qubic's latest wallet shows all the transactions they made back to their own wallet to generate "decoy" transactions
00:55:37 <DataHoarder> verified list on https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c23d4585/ and they all got sent back to themselves
00:56:17 <DataHoarder> it's still live and generating transactions back to their own wallet at this moment
00:58:59 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> when did they start spamming transactions? there doesn't appear to be any noticeable jump in daily transactions today
00:59:42 <DataHoarder> this was done as a way to prevent detective mining https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/140#issuecomment-3213511402
01:00:07 <DataHoarder> so they just are continuously feeding their own wallet with their own transactions from their own miner outputs
01:00:26 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> oh nice
01:01:04 <DataHoarder> 1-3 about every 2 minutes
01:02:01 <DataHoarder> they aren't even mining at the moment, why are they doing this spam?
01:44:08 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> rottenwheel: I'm not convinced it'd be effective vs a stupid cat and mouse game between sysadmins. It also doesn't stop larger adversaries who can run a private pool, preventing snooping.
06:21:05 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> detective mining is what the kids these days would describe as "cope"
06:37:18 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nioc https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20250827#c575142 aye, aye just catching up right this second...
06:40:37 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> 😳 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20250827#c575190
06:40:52 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> > <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Can I have my CCS merged and can the community agree PoW isn't a fundamental tenant of Monero, security and decentralization is? 😅
06:56:17 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> xmrack: oops, maybe we could take that [conversation](https://matrix.to/#/!toFcRZtpaiwiyapgVO:matrix.org/$vEVoq5PJnBiZ02muWhE1vwZxpe-aii8SUGqNJUqKnYU?via=matrix.org&via=monero.social&via=envs.net) to -lounge, haha.
06:59:35 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> jw has this lil thing, about emission analysis stuff... https://github.com/jwinterm/blockchain-emission-analysis
07:42:58 <midipoet> does anybody know approximately how much fees would have to increase by, to meaningfully disincentivize selfish mining? is it like 10x or 100x? i guess it's the block reward/fees ratio, but i feel  like a bad actor wouldn't care, regardless? or is the thesis that higher fees would attract a higher percentage of honest miners?
10:42:56 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> probably 100x
10:43:23 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> btw it seems like most of the recent selfish mining attempts have resulted in failute
10:43:31 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> btw it seems like most of the recent selfish mining attempts have resulted in failure
10:44:31 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/QGolviKrrgGfUiklkgwZjBAH
10:49:08 <m-relay> <d​atahoarder:monero.social> They have not attempted selfish mining. Those are just their regular orphans (they have quite delayed template generation)
11:00:31 <br-m> <shortwavesurfer2009> Shouldn't their attack be starting soon? From what I understand, it's on Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays from 12 UTC.
11:12:35 <nioc> looks like in 48 minutes
11:12:52 <DataHoarder> hey, the irc bridge works :D
11:13:35 <nioc> \o/
11:14:34 <nioc> will we be able to see matrix links now?
11:16:57 <br-m> <datahoarder> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/AxNlYHTYkysoQdaekqcYzsII.png (aeb674a9cb0ffbe145400908a781c353.png)
11:17:03 <br-m> <datahoarder> see ^ nioc
11:17:36 <DataHoarder> it also maps nick pings and links to rooms across IRC/Matrix
11:18:25 <DataHoarder> #monero #monero-community-dev #monero-community #monero-research-lounge #monero-research-lab are included on the first to get the new bridge
11:18:43 <nioc> <3
12:10:22 <DataHoarder> qubic has started selfish mining straight up
12:10:58 <nioc> right on time
12:16:56 <DataHoarder> they might be more confident - usually they wait until the evening
12:22:32 <nioc> I was going by the charts which, at least to me, give a different time depending on the time scale selected
12:24:25 <DataHoarder> I mean, the marathon starts at 12:00 UTC, but they aren't always selfish enabled 
12:25:06 <nioc> Ok
13:13:56 <DataHoarder> they are mining 85 height now
13:44:15 <br-m> <shortwavesurfer2009> 4 reorg detected
13:44:33 <DataHoarder> yeah they were on par at 91
13:44:42 <DataHoarder> they then found 92 and 93 quick to reorg
13:45:48 <br-m> <syntheticbird> THE BRIDGE WORKS LETS GO
14:54:16 <DataHoarder> you can track how monero or qubic tips diverge here https://qubic-snooper.p2pool.observer/tips.txt
14:54:30 <br-m> <datahoarder> example output
14:54:30 <br-m> <datahoarder> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/p/zb6u1a8KU1lSUlhf/1.txt (code snippet, 6 lines)
14:54:40 <DataHoarder> so they are +2 heights ahead of monero
15:14:24 <br-m> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> Thank you!
16:02:34 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> can you reset the checkpoints. Not sure what happened but looks like the checkpointed chain got split off at some point
16:03:37 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I need to test patch that changes bantime