00:35:53 Doge, zcash, any other pow coin, they dont actually care about pool dominance 00:36:35 isnt like 70% of Btc hashrate all the same pool operator behind the curtain 00:37:42 If qubic, or fed.gov became a dominant pool, none of these miners would care. They already mine on compliant pools and censor txs 00:38:50 Attacking monero only makes noise, because 1) our txs can be invalidated 2) we care about pool dominance 00:39:26 This attack wouldnt work on zcash, because they dont give a shit that 75% of hashrate is on 1 pool 00:40:59 22:50:37 It appears the laregest monero pools like supportxmr and nanoppool have teamed up to fight against Qubit selfish mining by selfish mining 00:41:21 no, you can see that yourself with logs 00:42:29 I found it funny on their self-made FUD so also added stratum tracking for other pools on the tips.txt 00:43:25 They also seem to misunderstand timestamps are entirely miner set and within p2pool it wasn't uncommon to see people with clocks more than six hours apart (future/past) 00:43:51 I think we now limit this to like 30m or so as it was making effectively invalid blocks at that point 00:48:30 You need to explicitly keep track of when blocks and alt chains arrive on your node(s) and for that you need higher monero verbosity. nioc explanation of it being sluggish in broadcasting is correct 00:49:05 Qubic also has a very delayed switch time that causes their blocks to naturally orphan more 01:23:39 How is p2pool orphanic qubic? 01:26:13 qubic is either not finding enough blocks to be able to make a longer altchain in time or it's hit by their own made severe transmission delay 01:27:36 Orphaning is not free - you need longer chains (or well 01:27:40 more work) 01:27:48 https://irc.gammaspectra.live/447f79a58a62cb47/IMG_6877.jpeg 01:28:24 In this cases qubic was one block ahead, but then Monero found two in a row before qubic could broadcast a longer chain 01:28:43 If you follow tips.txt it mentions when either side needs more blocks to orphan the other 01:47:54 Aaajww291: It takes months for him to actually make that change. The fact that our pools are orphaning his blocks now probably isn’t helping him, but because the barrier of entry to attack monero is low. It probably won’t matter anyway 08:16:41 Not sure if this has been suggested or discussed but would instead of purely “longest chain wins,” nodes could incorporate propagation speed into tie-breaking decisions. 08:34:11 Or heaviest chain wins ( eg. total difficulty) 08:36:12 I was reading this paper about defense systems to prevent or reduce risk of selfish mining & double spend attacks 08:36:12 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2307.00529 08:37:50 That ones "a dud" sadly 08:38:56 tevador and Rucknium left comments about it in the prev meeting 08:41:20 Oh I missed it thanks