00:21:35 @puff1k:matrix.org: In the cryptocurrency space, legal actions have in many cases failed to accomplish much. In this particular case, I think it would be hard to show actual harm done in a courtroom (in the legal sense of "harm"), even though yes, in some sense, actual harm has occurred. This is the wild west where "code is law". 00:25:53 To successfully sue Qubic (or the people involved in Qubic), you would probably have to provide evidence that you actually lost money due to the re-org or the other disruption that they have caused. And it would have to be an amount sufficient to even warrant the cost of a lawsuit. 00:26:21 I tried this briefly, but it wants to enforce the hardcoded checkpoints > <@rucknium> 2. If you put a checkpoints.json file into the directory with the blockchain, it will putllthat every time it checks DNS records. (I have not tested this yet, but I will soon) :https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/8d4c625713e3419573dfcc7119c8848f47cabbaa/src/checkpoints/checkpoints.h#L40 00:26:32 Barks about setting checkpoints higher than the hardcoded ones 00:32:57 That being said, it seems clear that CFB is wary of potential legal consequences, so an actual legal threat might dissuade him. 00:34:33 That may be the reason why CFB is holding off on doing large reorgs for now. 00:34:57 He got burned by not understanding how very important the ten block lock is in Monero. 00:35:04 This is research lounge, not 1800-crime-stoppers 00:35:31 #monero:monero.social Right, discussion can continue here. 00:35:50 i personally don't care to hear about non-technical methods of combating qubic 00:35:58 Yeah, #monero is fine 01:04:00 Its appears qubic not selfish mining in the last few or so hours am i reading that right? 01:04:32 I think the log message is misleading. It triggers the log message for any checkpoint, including DNS, hardcoded, or json. > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I tried this briefly, but it wants to enforce the hardcoded checkpoints 01:05:20 You just need to supply a height to the json file that is higher than the height of the highest checkpoint the node knows about. 01:50:27 He lives in Belarus. Do people even know what crypto even is over there? I don’t really think that’s why he stopped. I doubt the Belarus government even cares > <@torir:matrix.org> That being said, it seems clear that CFB is wary of potential legal consequences, so an actual legal threat might dissuade him. 02:16:28 It was correct since today @privacyx:monero.social as I have said so a couple of times 02:16:59 Their blocks don't contain withheld transactions, but also don't contain much of other transactions 02:20:23 @barthman132:matrix.org: Do you know that for a fact? 02:20:29 I live in belarus too 02:57:11 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yes I saw a couple articles years ago saying he lives in Minsk. “Sergey Ivancheglo lives in Minsk, Belarus. He holds a Bachelor of Science with specialization in electronics and artificial intelligence.” He resigned from IOTA and bounced around a couple of projects before qubic. https://medium.com/@Dav [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/zO_Oz7UKRmdCeUZv ] 03:08:57 Do you believe everything you read on the internet 03:09:12 Did you know that luigi1111's real name is luigi: 03:11:32 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I mean he his a public figure. His story does seem pretty typical for many tech guys out there. 03:12:16 he's about as public as my onlyfans 03:13:15 I persobally doubt that is his real name, location, education, and even his profile pic 03:14:36 have you ever seen a video of him? I havent looked 03:15:01 Fluffypony - he is who he says he is. 03:15:01 vitalik - another public figure. 03:15:01 Cfb? My ass 03:15:22 Bros an actor 03:20:52 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n9zlLh2YMPA 03:20:52 Here is a interview with him. 03:20:52 He has done interviews in both English and in Russian. 03:21:23 Skip about a minute into the video to hear speak 03:24:27 DataHoarder: Thanks DH As im different time zone to majority of you guys I would of missed it I try my best to catch up on what is discussed My today is midday Tuesday lol anyway appreciate the response 03:26:40 ^ as a point to "but what about history in IRC" see no one reads backlog even when they have it :) 03:27:20 You can also see that there aren't that many withheld txs (or none) which is also an indication of when they turn selfish mining, but not always 04:00:16 No I read them and i appreciate the information you provide its my error for how missed it as usually i jump to unread go through it but something went wrong and your actually comments about it was marked as read again appreciate the response 07:27:38 note I've added a record for 6 of the testpoints.moneropulse.* domains 08:14:06 qubic seems to have reverted their transaction code and are including up to 20 transactions per each of their blocks 09:10:23 6/7 binaryFate? 10:09:29 rucknium: pushed update for monero-blocks. cryptonote-pool based pools were only reporting confirmed (60+?) blocks in their api, querying stats allows display of also "pending" ones. unknown blocks should get tagged faster if they are from these pools now 10:09:44 noticed it on a herominers recent block, took a closer look 10:09:58 there is no issue otherwise. blocks were either way eventually tagged 10:12:47 the way it works for these is that it will first query their /stats endpoint when no token is set, then if toke is set, use get_blocks 10:12:55 that gets pending blocks first directly 10:40:07 Sorry to bring a CfB tweet but they are again in the lies phase of their marketing https://x.com/c___f___b/status/1967871398124356015 10:40:35 Enough to warrant a lengthier report with basically walking around all block templates, all included transactions 10:40:53 Showing their PoW verification against each other 10:41:13 And as mentioned, how they also existed on Tari network, along with Qubic mining at the same time. 10:42:04 The Tari merge mining data effectively includes the full hash blob (to generate the exact block ID) of the full monero block header, plus a bit more :) 11:05:14 yeah perhaps a blog post on getmonero.org is warranted at this point. Perhaps the monero miners that are mining on qubic really think that what they are doing is fine.... 11:13:27 are they 'monero miners'? they are just 'miners', acting in their own economic interest aren't they? or maybe i am misreading the situation. 11:14:36 well sure. But i can imagine maybe they start seeing the logic that they shouldn't poison their cash cow 11:16:42 i am not sure miners have such a long time preference, to be honest. 11:16:50 *long term 11:24:36 Why would he even care? > Sorry to bring a CfB tweet but they are again in the lies phase of their marketing https://x.com/c___f___b/status/1967871398124356015 11:25:10 he wouldn't. but they are loud and know how to push the propaganda everywhere 11:25:32 they have dedicated channels to "raid" tweets or postings / news to ensure their message is first, or only one by volume 11:26:11 Like why would he even tweet something like this out. https://x.com/c___f___b/status/1967872808706539595. Wouldn’t it be beneficial for him to claim credit for 11:26:44 I'm making a just step by step timeline of all blocks for all chains. with ofc, all the block data which is verifiable individually. correlated with Tari block data. 11:27:10 No text content, just raw "X happened at Y, this is the data" 11:27:22 yeah but we don't know your real name!!!!! 11:27:33 oh surely you can find it :) 11:28:07 haven't even thought of looking 11:28:16 it works :) 11:28:27 something about a rose 11:28:29 but yeah. all block headers, all relevant lost transactions 11:28:39 their real name is Weeb, last name DataHoarder 11:28:42 step by step as both sides build the chains 11:28:52 #doxxed 11:28:58 corroborated with tari blocks issued for the merge mined ones 11:29:33 I also kept logs of exactly when each block arrived or was seen first, which should match loosely with all the other values. 11:30:38 also, ofc, bringing back the SVG only for the related event 11:30:49 so we have a direct link to that 11:31:26 it's funny that tari almost serves as a source of truth here :D 11:43:33 "18 blocks of uncontested chain omitted" can anybody explain, i got around a few dozen txid not confirming / not finding on explorers from 1-2h ago 11:51:27 you can click the "Full block history" button 11:51:36 those are just areas where there were no orphans 11:51:55 you are probably still affected by qubic invalidating your transactions 11:52:52 Here's the reorg SVG (it gets generated from live block data on each startup) https://blocks.p2pool.observer/event/reorg_sep14_18/plot.svg 15:02:55 it seems the FUD farms are in full force today across several monero channels today 15:04:08 some people are bored i guess, and some people seem to want to argue that their opinion is better or more right than someone else's 15:04:26 i don't get why the arguments, if you don't agree then don't use it, etc 15:04:27 not just, same entities bringing same prompts or trying to pass as other users 15:04:38 it's their way to get marketing 15:04:41 that too, yes 15:04:48 > 13:25:32 they have dedicated channels to "raid" tweets or postings / news to ensure their message is first, or only one by volume 15:05:35 too interested in money to have principles i guess 15:07:00 DataHoarder: of course, they/him run a shitcoin. monero is run by technical people in matrix and irc 15:07:34 Its same person as always > it seems the FUD farms are in full force today across several monero channels today 15:07:46 Well/ the ai prompt one was diff person 15:07:55 yeah. that one was entertaining 15:08:10 DataHoarder: the imposter is not qubic 15:08:28 Have been around here for years 15:08:41 yeah the one that tags you and ruck is known 15:08:47 There was a time when people thought it was me 15:10:15 Im happy that its not actually 40 people 15:10:57 Also happy that this user pays enough attention to do good impersonations 15:11:23 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> on social media platforms, stick to your following feed. don't look at discovery. best way to solve this problem. 15:21:29 thank you for the tip hatsune miku 15:23:37 also damn Tari mined blocks came at exactly the right time 15:23:45 all relevant high orphaned blocks got into Tari 15:37:57 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ;-; 15:38:54 The right term to refer to Tari being used as a way to publish these blocks there as a "check" would be the "witness chain" right? 15:39:35 The witness chain receives these blocks, independent of Qubic/Monero own chain, but the witness chain contains data to show Qubic/Monero were aware of each other at that time within Tari 15:40:29 P2Pool sidechains also are witness chains but they only include the block id, not the full block template hashing blob 15:40:51 i believe that is the term 15:43:17 it would've been useful if tari could be used as another option to checkpointing, but i don't think it can be :p 15:43:33 i think you had mentioned it too, if i remember correctly 15:45:11 well 15:45:12 ... 15:45:16 merge mined blocks land there 15:45:26 ofc, qubic ones do as well 15:45:49 though they disabled Tari mining sometimes 15:52:23 well, i feel the problem is that it might not be fast enough, and there's only a chance that a block might be merge-mined, right? 15:57:17 correct 15:57:25 they can also publish theirs first there 15:57:32 tari blocks can also be orphaned 16:01:36 indeed :/ 16:20:11 got any nice lines rucknium? :) 16:20:28 Trying to do a timeline log and I could link these there 16:23:47 DataHoarder: Lines, as in sentences? 16:24:16 sorry, an explainer of the global output index invalidation / slides 16:24:17 I'm working on DNS checkpointing things still. 16:24:30 ok! 16:24:32 Not yet 17:37:42 Why don't they selfish mine Tari too? Does the multialgo make it difficult ? 17:42:28 Why beat up the bullys lil sister? 17:46:04 Why not if you allready got the full setup? 17:56:23 they don't have the full setup 17:56:36 sometimes when selfish mining Monero they'd turn off Tari entirely 17:56:51 I have made this Timeline of Monero 18-block reorg on September 14th, 2025 https://github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14 17:57:01 Displays a table of block heights and Tari witnesses 17:57:13 A table log of events 17:57:29 an even longer full table of events 17:57:36 Any idea how much (%wise) equivalent hashrate they could muster on Tari? 17:57:38 all blocks archived 17:57:43 all transactions archived 17:57:48 in one easy repo :) 17:58:52 Probably not enough hashrate 17:58:55 https://irc.gammaspectra.live/afacb9eaed08e972/image.png 17:59:21 tokr: tari has less randomx than monero, but, they split pow function ability to get 50% 17:59:45 see on https://explore.tari.com/ "proof of work split" 18:02:28 yeah i know, - now it's 25% monero, so you would only be able to reach 33% in short bursts. 18:04:30 Which makes Tari very resilient towards selfish mining 18:04:54 randomx can get 50% so bursts above too 18:05:12 if they are mining as botnet they can cover both sides :P 18:05:35 yes but not with the same hadrware 18:24:39 And apparently hashrate on Cuckaroo is measured in Kg. which would pose some logistical challenges on a botnet ;)