10:50:57 https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/151 10:56:04 tevador: Does this use the algorithms suggested by NIST? 10:56:55 https://csrc.nist.gov/pubs/fips/203/final 10:56:55 https://csrc.nist.gov/pubs/fips/204/final 10:56:55 https://csrc.nist.gov/pubs/fips/205/final 10:58:29 FIPS 204 and 205 is for signatures, not encryption. FIPS 203 is formely Kyber, which is mentioned in my writeup. 10:59:25 tevador: Good to know 11:09:41 Does the hard fork need to be timed before a quantum computer is running that can use Grover's? 11:23:17 My proposal doesn't need a hard fork. 11:25:33 > I'm proposing to use CSIDH for PQ encryption with Jamtis addresses. We can use CSIDH-512 for best performance or CSIDH-1024 for a more conservative security margin. 11:25:33 Jamtis addresses require a hard fork? 11:26:54 I remember Seraphis and Jamtis were being worked on parallel before FCMP++ and Carrot 11:30:34 Jamtis doesn't need a hard fork. 11:30:48 It's a just an address format. 11:31:46 It's probably a naming confusion. I'm talking about a different version of Jamtis here (Jamtis-PQ) that's backwards compatible with Carrot. 11:32:19 https://github.com/seraphis-migration/wallet3/issues/41 11:33:08 Is the issue outdated? 11:33:36 FYI, Seraphis won't be implemented. The original Jamtis is thus obsolete. It only works with Seraphis. 11:33:54 Seraphis was replaced with FCMP++. 11:34:46 Then there was Jamtis-RCT, which works with FCMP++, but was replaced with Carrot. Jamtis-PQ is the 3rd version. It probably needs a new name... 11:35:30 tevador: Oh alright I was mixing up Seraphis and Jamtis with FCMP++, Carrot, and Jamtis-PQ 11:56:23 tevador: I vote JAMTIS, go full circle on having several schemes with the same name we can barely tell the difference between. 11:56:47 Or Multi-purpose Lightweight Sending Address Generation? MLSAG? 11:57:07 We have many options. 12:00:07 Multi-Hardness Lightweight Single-use Address Generation 12:09:01 goo goo just announced that they will have a working/useful quantum computer in 5-10 years 12:19:58 JAMT15, to denote that quantum computers are always "5-10 years" in the future 13:20:24 jamtis-pq is the least bad of the existing proposals, sorry not sorry mlsag :p 13:20:51 if it was called mlsag i think my brain would explode 13:27:46 Jicama? another root vegetable, to go with carrot 13:39:19 Strong reason to name it MLSAG above 13:39:35 I think people have mentioned Rabbit w.r.t. CARROT before 23:46:17 If all else fails you can always go the “RSA” route of naming