00:51:44 <br-m> <articmine> ZCash transaction rate increased over 29x since the end of September. A similar surge in Monero transactions occurred in 2016. 
00:51:45 <br-m> <articmine> Just an indication of what can happen if there is a sudden increase in price / adoption. 
00:51:45 <br-m> <articmine> We have to be very careful with restrictions on scaling.
00:53:54 <br-m> <articmine> https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-zec-xmr.html#log&1y
00:56:39 <br-m> <articmine> By the way this is not enough time for the long term median ML  to react
00:58:07 <br-m> <articmine> So even my proposed 16x surge for the short term median MS  could be too low 
01:00:31 <br-m> <articmine> I works barely because currently the blocks are about 1/3 of the penalty free zone 
01:05:26 <br-m> <articmine> I am concerned because Monero adoption has been suppressed for years by the BS companies lobbying governments to delist Monero from centralized exchanges. A sudden collapse of BS in the courts could lead to a sudden very sharp spike in on chain Monero transactions 
09:46:16 <br-m> <pubertus:matrix.org> > <@articmine> I am concerned because Monero adoption has been suppressed for years by the BS companies lobbying governments to delist Monero from centralized exchanges. A sudden collapse of BS in the courts could lead to a sudden very sharp spike in on chain Monero transactions 
09:46:16 <br-m> <pubertus:matrix.org> ideally, the liquidity would decentralize and that would obviously cause a massive increase in vols and also tx's. especially once you open up the MM and arbs to non-CEX players, the tx's will increase drastically.
09:46:16 <br-m> <pubertus:matrix.org> other factors like bridges could also have an impact.
09:46:16 <br-m> <pubertus:matrix.org> defi produces much more tx's than CEX trading.
09:46:17 <br-m> <pubertus:matrix.org> you dont even need an increased amount of users for this to happen, just for the market to become more efficient.
09:53:08 <br-m> <pubertus:matrix.org> but monero has dynamic block size
09:53:39 <br-m> <pubertus:matrix.org> is this stayign i presume w FCMP? then not an issue
11:38:16 <br-m> <jack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> is that adoption or just transactions to/from exchanges > <@articmine> ZCash transaction rate increased over 29x since the end of September. A similar surge in Monero transactions occurred in 2016. 
11:40:10 <br-m> <jack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> eu regulations just ban privacy coins & other countries will follow, are courts going to reverse it ?  > <@articmine> I am concerned because Monero adoption has been suppressed for years by the BS companies lobbying governments to delist Monero from centralized exchanges. A sudden collapse of BS in the courts could lead to a sudden very sharp spike in on chain Monero transactions 
11:41:58 <br-m> <jack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> arent most ztrash txs non-private ? even exchanges dont allow deposits from shielded addr 
12:54:43 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> @jack_ma_blabla:matrix.org: Its spam
16:57:44 <br-m> <articmine> @jack_ma_blabla:matrix.org: I suspect primarily transactions to and from exchanges
16:59:45 <br-m> <elongated:matrix.org> @articmine: So it’s just a spike due to hype/price increase and it’s already listed on exchanges so that volume has increased.
17:02:01 <br-m> <articmine> @jack_ma_blabla:matrix.org: If there is a reversal of conviction where the "evidence" was blockchain surveillance based, in the US. I say yes. Especially considering the falsely convicted in an EU citizen.
17:02:02 <br-m> <articmine> In could easily fall under the European Convention of Human Rights
17:02:57 <br-m> <articmine> @jack_ma_blabla:matrix.org: It still has been delisted in the EU
17:04:58 <br-m> <elongated:matrix.org> @articmine: There will be no onchain evidence in case of privacy coins, so that ban isn’t going to be reversed.
17:06:19 <br-m> <elongated:matrix.org> Regulators can only reverse it just to bring some volume under surveillance, but currently xmr isn’t anywhere close to be unstoppable in terms of on/offramp.
17:11:47 <br-m> <articmine> @elongated:matrix.org: The point is that the "evidence" is unreliable at best and leads to false convictions. So this alone creates a right to privacy to avoid being falsely convicted in a foreign country
17:13:25 <br-m> <articmine> There is already a lot of jurisprudence where the courts have read privacy into the European Convention of Human Rights 
17:16:09 <br-m> <articmine> @ofrnxmr: Wrong transaction type  in ZCash. These are t transactions not z transactions. Not consistent with ZCash spam at all. With respect to z transactions I can see the spam argument
17:16:56 <br-m> <articmine> T transactions are very consistent with to and from exchanges.
17:17:01 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> They are like 0.0001 zec
17:17:15 <br-m> <articmine> Both are
17:17:40 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Nobody is sending 0.0001 zec to a cex
17:17:49 <br-m> <articmine> That is the reason ZCash was spammed so brutally with Z transactions 
17:18:14 <br-m> <articmine> That looks more like BS dusting 
17:18:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> It was scammed with z txs because the fee was so low that you could ddos wallets for very cheap
17:18:32 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Spammed*
17:19:00 <br-m> <articmine> BS dusting is a form of spam
17:20:04 <br-m> <articmine> BS dusting does make sense in response to the recent interest in ZCash