19:03:44 Not necessarily if there is a significantly higher number of people using it > But in a dystopian future when cryptocurrency has more practical/fundamental (as someone said) value, people will definitely want to lose it less. 19:32:14 DataHoarder: Of the four papers, only Troutman & Laszka (2021) seems to have a good way to transfer the native currency to miners and it's through the Lightning Network. About SmartPool (Luu, Velner, Teutsch, & Saxena 2017) it says: 19:32:22 > No Cross Chain Conversion. Because share payment happens exclusively on the smart contract and mining can occur on other 19:32:22 > blockchains, there must be a transfer from mined currency to ether (ETH). The whitepaper doesn’t describe how the cryptocurrency transfer takes place, but there is currently no native cryptocurrency exchange in Bitcoin. Thus, there must be some third party exchanging minted BTC to ETH and restocking SmartPool’s funds. Po [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/vrDnuMoKN3JxSmZ5 ] 19:34:45 Here is a prototype for a payment channel protocol like Lightning for Monero, presented at 2025 MoneroKon: https://github.com/grease-xmr/grease 19:35:00 it's fine if there's external state (sidechain etc.) but moving it elsewhere would also effectively be a no no unless it can be done instantly on the payout, with no fail conditions 19:35:29 yeah, I was looking at Grease. Sadly all I can find are diagrams on their docs, not low level details. I will look more on them :) 19:36:01 the "Implement a centralized Key Escrow Service (KES) with high-availability and secure key storage as a proof of concept." gives bad vibes 20:56:17 FYI snipa graciously got a new server for xmrchain. we have now migrated to the new server. testnet and stagenet explorers are catching up. xmrchain.net should actually be responsive again :) and I may open the API 21:00:43 thanks snipa + gingeropolous