19:27:21 <br-m> <rucknium> I'm having a strange DNS problem with moneronet.info . When I use dig I don't see the DNS records that I specified through my domain registrar. I see info in the AUTHORITY section that I don't recognize. I have paid for registration of this domain until July 2026. Any ideas what could cause this and possible solutions?
19:28:28 <br-m> <321bob321> Whos the nameserver
19:29:09 <br-m> <rucknium> Njalla
19:30:51 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> you'll likely need to make a support ticket with them, and then pray they give a shit
19:42:02 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> @rucknium:monero.social i seen this thread the other day https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1rj9liz/njalla_not_supporting_monero/
19:42:34 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> some accusation of domain theft too, not sure about that tbh 
19:45:01 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: it's not theft because they own all the domains
19:45:09 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> they don't owe you shit
19:45:14 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> that's the massive downside to their scheme
19:45:33 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> thanks for the reminder, as I need to move my domains elsewhere
19:46:17 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Well, you paid for a service, even if it's only "lending this domain for use for a year" ...
19:47:20 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Maybe the error is that normal rules for domain registrations apply. They don't. You don't have some related rights either. You just rent ... well ... something :)
19:47:37 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Er, the error is that you think that ...
19:47:43 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> I don't believe it's even truly lending, they just let you manage the DNS records, but they own the domain at the end of the day. And there have been quite a few cases of them banning you and refusing to let you switch registrars
19:48:02 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> @rbrunner7: yep
20:09:38 <br-m> <kiersten5821:matrix.org> njalla is well known to steal domains this is reported on every single platform
20:14:37 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Maybe a dumb question, but what do they get out of that? You pay for a year, after half a year they "steal" your domain, and then what? Rent it out immediately to somebody else?
20:15:20 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Or see the domain on the open market, if it's a "nice" name?
20:15:27 <br-m> <rbrunner7> *Or sell
20:19:30 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> @rbrunner7: my guess is that they can raise the price exponentially
20:25:44 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> @rbrunner7: primarily it's a politics thing
20:26:17 <br-m> <321bob321> @rucknium: Have you looked at desec
20:26:17 <br-m> <321bob321> https://desec.io/
20:26:53 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @kiersten5821:matrix.org: technically njalla has always been the sole owner of the domains registered via its services, this is how their customers can remain anonymous
20:29:48 <br-m> <321bob321> All are like that
20:30:04 <br-m> <321bob321> They are the mitm
20:30:28 <br-m> <321bob321> You just have to find a realiable one
20:30:35 <br-m> <rucknium> > A status of "ServerHold" means the registry has suspended the domain. A status of ClientHold means the registrar has suspended the domain. Njalla has no influence on the registries and registrars, so if your domain is suspended, you should reach out to them.
20:30:52 <br-m> <321bob321> Rip
20:31:04 <br-m> <321bob321> Spynodes -1 ruck - 0
20:31:07 <br-m> <rucknium> ICANN lookup says moneronet.info has the clientHold status. That sounds bad.
20:32:56 <br-m> <rucknium> No, haven't looked at desec yet > <@321bob321> Have you looked at desec
20:33:19 <br-m> <321bob321> Someone complained
20:35:00 <br-m> <rucknium> Registrar is TUCOWS. Maybe I can ask them to restore the domain.
20:35:39 <br-m> <321bob321> Ask why
20:39:07 <br-m> <321bob321> You would have to prove ownership tho
21:01:58 <br-m> <rucknium> moneroconsensus.info has clientHold too.
21:05:13 <br-m> <321bob321> Sounds targeted
21:05:50 <br-m> <321bob321> All domains on the same provider ?
21:13:08 <br-m> <rucknium> Those two are on the same provider. I have other domains with that provider that are unaffected.
21:21:56 <br-m> <kiersten5821:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: yes, however there are many other providers who do the same thing, but are not frequently reported to steal the domains
21:23:22 <br-m> <kiersten5821:matrix.org> you could say that's because a lot of people use them but i think their complaint rate is way way higher even when measured as per user
21:38:19 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> @kiersten5821:matrix.org can you name a few?
21:38:34 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> alternatives to njalla
21:49:13 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Orangewebsite
21:58:02 <br-m> <321bob321> Incognet.io uses namecheap
21:58:35 <br-m> <321bob321> 1984 hosting
21:59:11 <br-m> <321bob321> Tbh its based on reputation
22:02:10 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> 1984.is doesn't offer anonymous domain registration, does it?
22:08:20 <br-m> <321bob321> Wasnt feather wallet on it ?
22:08:43 <br-m> <321bob321> I’ve only used this > <@321bob321> Incognet.io uses namecheap
22:15:16 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> nope > <@321bob321> All are like that
22:17:27 <br-m> <321bob321> They are the frontend
22:28:42 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> I was looking for an anonymous VPS + domain provider for my side projects, I came across this nice comparison (reason why I decided not to use Njalla as I had originally planned):
22:28:42 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> http://crippled.media/article/free-speech-vps-providers-put-to-the-test  (I currently have several domains with NiceVPS and one with Mynymbox)