02:37:54 @sgp_: listening to this now... just wanted to mention i did send some txs on monero mainnet already with my oxide based wallet: https://x.com/spirobel/status/2106122415940206660 I also implemented the frost multisig api part of the library ... https://monerochan.news/article/19 there are acceptance tests for this that have the right structure to build the wallet ui around ... 02:47:17 honestly i am really bullish about frost multisig for monero ... we can build a mixture of contract automation in the wallet and the original "smart contract" vision of Ethereum ... maybe you guys remember slock it the ebike renting service where the lock has a smart contract and becomes its own "economic agent". I think back [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/67nSm7ELN2tZN0xm ] 02:51:12 Thank you for listening and your comments. I’ll take a look at your post! 02:53:26 @sgp_: maybe you should talk more about the serai evrf dkg as well. I think it is a really great achievement and i haven't seen much talk about it. Even though it solves many problems people have been struggling with. 02:59:58 Yes that is definitely on the list. In fact it was intended before this episode but this one cut the line so to speak 03:07:11 @sgp_: nice. tbh the only reason why this hasn't seen more adoption is 1. communicating clearly what it solves and why it is so amazing. frost really is kind of useless without a non clunky dkg 2. the ergonomics of the library. it was a struggle to tear the dkg out of the serai code base and make it usable for me. Especially if you try to use monero-oxide at the same time. 03:42:00 > <@spirobel:kernal.eu> listening to this now... just wanted to mention i did send some txs on monero mainnet already with my oxide based wallet: https://x.com/spirobel/status/2106122415940206660 I also implemented the frost multisig api part of the library ... https://monerochan.news/article/19 there are acceptance tests [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/uoibnbELMGdTNE50 ] 03:42:01 when writing the blog post ... and looking deeper into this i watched this whole session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxLTJ_OxGT4&t=5629s it was basically just them moaning about how they want to build something with frost but its so hard to build something practical because the dkg is so hairy to deal with and there are s [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/uoibnbELMGdTNE50 ] 03:43:54 so why hasnt this gained more adoption? it is really these two pedestrian points and because people are so stuck in their little bubbles. heck even here in monero we still talk about the old multisig stuff even though there is really no good reason to still spend time on it. as 1. the scheme is more complex 2. less useful and performant 03:46:34 so its just ergonomics of the library and communication that is holding this back. 14:13:31 The main issue preventing publishing dkg-evrf, the Rust crate, in a more accessible fashion is how the underlying libs aren't published themselves. 14:14:13 The underlying libs were audited, should be stable and fine to publish? But they're undergoing yet another audit now, so it feels short-sighted to publish before that wraps up. 21:24:07

Yet another monero network paper 21:24:07

https://drops.dagstuhl.de/storage/00lipics/lipics-vol395-aft2026/LIPIcs.AFT.2026.31/LIPIcs.AFT.2026.31.pdf 21:25:35

Oh this was actually first seen last year 21:25:35

https://moneroresearch.info/index.php?action=resource_RESOURCEVIEW_CORE&id=280