01:39:26 <garth> This idea that “the US dollar is used
01:39:45 <garth> By criminals” feels a bit more polemical than needed
01:41:36 <garth> IMHO this entire question feels like a losing cause
01:41:45 <garth> Let’s just not include it
07:35:04 <ErCiccione> If people don't want it just let me know and i'll close it. I spent enough time on that PR
12:49:16 <carrington[m]> CCS part of getmonero.org is down?
12:56:25 <t-900-a> Seems to be
13:29:56 <ErCiccione> binaryFate pigeons ^
13:43:10 <binaryFate> will check
14:03:54 <Hammermann[m]> Hey guys. I wanted to know if there's a way to contribute to the websites's UI and UX. It looks pretty out dated and doesn't provide a very pleasant user experience either which, for a known project like Monero is kinda a shame
14:03:54 <Hammermann[m]> I've been working on a concept for Monero's website as an example of how it can be improved both visually and structurally. It's a work in progress but you can see some samples here
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14:13:13 <ErCiccione> Hammermann: the website is open source and can be improved as much as we want. While i agree the current design is less then optimal (and was very much broken until not long ago), we have to keep in consideration the goal of minimalism plus ease of use.
14:14:18 <ErCiccione> Personally i'm open to discuss a redesign, the best way to start would be to open an issue on the repository and explain very well what you have in mind, keeping in consideration that the website must be javascript-free
14:20:00 <carrington[m]> These images are causing element to crash on my device, so a gitlab issue might be a better venue
14:21:39 <Hammermann[m]> Sure. I had both in mind when I started designing the whole thing. I guess I'll have to finish it and ask for opinions in the community and people liked it I might open an issue and explain the details. I can publish it as an open source project as well if other designers wanted to contribute as well
14:22:12 <Hammermann[m]> What's the reason behind being Javascript free? 
14:22:39 <Hammermann[m]> carrington[m]: Sorry I'm new here. Didn't really have an idea where should I post them first
16:06:13 <ErCiccione> <Hammermann[m]> "Sure. I had both in mind when..." <- I suggest to ask feedback before finishing. A complete redesign is something to not take lightly, even if the community loves it, the amount of effort and time that such work would need is quite a lot. Better open an issue here: https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues
16:06:28 <ErCiccione> <Hammermann[m]> "What's the reason behind being..." <- Privacy.
16:44:41 <Hammermann[m]> <ErCiccione> "I suggest to ask feedback before..." <- It's okay. It's gonna be a long iterative process eitherway so I'd rather explain the finished project and then work on it through feedbacks and iterations
16:45:56 <Hammermann[m]> I'm not a code expert so I'm not sure how not using JS would affect the design but I'll ask around
17:51:58 <geonic> ccs.getmonero.org throws an error
17:53:43 <geonic> likely because Firo finally took down their illegal “ccs fork” last night
17:54:45 <geonic> https://twitter.com/reubenyap/status/1432572585963708423?s=21
17:55:43 <geonic> apparently someone had the great idea to connect the two somehow
17:56:27 <nikg83[m]> geonic: Everything *getmonero.org is down 
17:56:44 <moneromoooo> .. what ? :S
17:57:07 <nikg83[m]> moneromoooo: Web.getmonero.org is also down
17:57:23 <nikg83[m]> who hosts the website ?
17:57:42 <geonic> lol
17:58:13 <geonic> did Diego give Reuben admin rights over getmonero.org ?!?
17:59:26 <ErCiccione> binaryFate any news?
18:00:06 <ErCiccione> btw the address is www.getmonero.org, which seems to be working normally
18:01:10 <geonic> it’s the exact same error that was initially shown on ccs.firo.org which makes me think they’re connected
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18:05:01 <geonic> I get the same message
18:05:22 <nikg83[m]> geonic: Server is down, cloudflare can’t connect to it 
18:05:43 <nikg83[m]> Cloudflare is just a revers proxy with cache
18:05:54 <nikg83[m]> s/revers/reverse/
18:07:45 <geonic> so Reuben just shut down the server? or are they completely unrelated?
18:08:27 <nikg83[m]> geonic: Unrelated I guess, who manages the server though? 
18:08:39 <selsta> binaryFate should have access
18:09:04 <geonic> I’d bet Reuben had access too
18:09:20 <nikg83[m]> selsta: Someone should wake him up 
18:09:42 <nikg83[m]> geonic: Why would someone share root access to 3rd party 
18:09:47 <geonic> maybe I can ask Reuben to turn it back on 
18:10:35 <geonic> this is Diego we’re talking about. don’t underestimate him
18:11:41 <nikg83[m]> geonic: Hmm 🤔, let’s wait for binaryfate to know what’s going on 
18:15:30 <selsta> 20:00 <@ErCiccione> btw the address is www.getmonero.org, which seems to be working normally <-- that's cdn cached, once you click on anything it fails
18:16:11 <pigeons> The host support is looking at a hardware issue
18:16:52 <nikg83[m]> pigeons: 👍
18:20:13 <pigeons> I think they are almost done
18:20:44 <ErCiccione> <geonic> "I’d bet Reuben had access too" <- This is nonsense
18:21:05 <pigeons> yes nonsense
18:21:25 <geonic> I hope so :). Maybe it’s just a big coincidence that they both went offline at the same time.
18:22:02 <nikg83[m]> geonic: Hardware issue as stated 
18:22:19 <ErCiccione> they probably have the same host i would guess, but the idea that somebody from another project has somehow access to our backend is nonsense
18:23:38 <geonic> pigeons can you post chat logs with the host support?
18:24:48 <geonic> I’m not taking the word of one of Diego’s employees on this one
18:25:11 <ErCiccione> Come on man. Stay logic
18:25:13 <binaryFate> we're investigating. I don't think posting any security critical logs is a good idea.
18:25:44 <geonic> binaryFate ok. please verify firsthand
18:25:50 <binaryFate> This has nothing to do with firo/reuben, can't believe I have to write this. you're just full on tin foil hat here.
21:44:44 <binaryFate> Ok that should be fixed very soon.
21:46:23 <binaryFate> The reason is very, very stupid. Due to miscommunication and not receiving warnings, we were late on last invoice from the host provider. (Normally sponsored by globee, but paid by CC by fluffy).
21:47:32 <moneromoooo> Plot twist: reuben snuck into the server and deleted the warnings :o
21:47:37 <binaryFate> To the point that they switched off server. I have now paid the invoice but their support needs some manual action to restart it.
21:56:10 <binaryFate> Ok looks like we're all back up
22:39:52 <geonic> moneromoooo :D
22:41:00 <geonic> 11:16 <pigeons> The host support is looking at a hardware issue
22:42:53 <geonic> poor host support.. I hope they stopped looking