07:47:56 <r4v3r23[m]> fuck monero.com and fuck cake wallet
07:48:10 <r4v3r23[m]> anyone whos not a cuck sees how sleazy of a move the domain thing was
07:49:10 <r4v3r23[m]> moneromooo: you are not alone in not trusting them
07:55:59 <john_r365[m]> I take another stance, I'd much rather that Cake (Vik) own that domain than an entity acting maliciously. The wallet page on Monero.com lists both the CLI & GUI.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/6e6f263f5143d3de06ddf4876d5db79ef315e274)
07:56:21 <r4v3r23[m]> > <@john_r365:monero.social> I take another stance, I'd much rather that Cake (Vik) own that domain than an entity acting maliciously. The wallet page on Monero.com lists both the CLI & GUI.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/633366bd26bd1f98dc9b5d3d7c650725f0667f23)
07:56:48 <r4v3r23[m]> instead of listing your own products under "wallets" knowing full well noobs will think its official
07:57:04 <r4v3r23[m]> "but we have a FAQ" - yeah, you also know no one reads that shit
07:58:47 <john_r365[m]> Ok... and so worst case a "noob" installs Cake wallet and thinks it is official.... so what? 
07:58:47 <john_r365[m]> The sky doesn't fall and their wallet doesn't get emptied in the process.
07:58:47 <john_r365[m]> Hopefully they actually do their first Monero transaction, get a simple solution to on-chain privacy and fungibility... and they decide to come back and learn some more about the project.
07:59:22 <moneromooo> What a shitty outlook.
08:01:01 <moneromooo> I read it as basically "it's fine to mislead people as long as you don't actually steal from them". Yes, it could be worse, but that shuld not be a reason to accept the dishonesty as good, just because they didn't do worse.
08:08:19 <moneromooo> Anyway, what *really* pissed me off is the attempts at deflecting. I know I can get ballistic easily, and I apologize for the insults. You guys have done something dishonest (and tried to defend it), but I should not have insulsted you like that.
08:08:19 <moneromooo> You still did someting dishonest.
08:08:19 <john_r365[m]> Axiomatically I agree with that. It isn't fine to mislead people. 
08:08:19 <john_r365[m]> But I guess I disagree with the level of animosity r4v3r23 expressed towards them.
08:08:19 <john_r365[m]> ErCiccione raised a few issues in the Github PR, and afaik they're working to rectify them. Specifically making a toggle to turn off the function that pings their server to get the fiat exchange rate. Vik said they can make it more clean on the site that it's not the "official" app.
08:08:40 <r4v3r23[m]> moneromooo: absolutely. "we love you mooo!"
08:16:00 <ErCiccione> i agree and the whataboutism was annoying. Trying to continuously point to what other wallets do instead of answering for themselves didn't help making them look good in this situation.
08:22:40 <ErCiccione> btw before i forget i opened https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2011
08:26:03 <r4v3r23[m]> no need to label "good" wallets for just doing the right thing
08:26:44 <r4v3r23[m]> definitely separate wallets the compromise users privacy from the "standard" list
08:26:48 <r4v3r23[m]> * definitely separate and label wallets the
08:26:58 <r4v3r23[m]>  * definitely separate and label wallets that compromise users privacy from the "standard" list
08:31:32 <ErCiccione> either way is fine for me, as long as people make an informed choice
08:34:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> > <@john_r365:monero.social> Axiomatically I agree with that. It isn't fine to mislead people.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/f26a67957c8537462400511b84c2217de5f8ba19)
08:44:08 <r4v3r23[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "> <@john_r365:monero.social..." <- im glad its been brought to attention. the more hardcore side of the community has rejected cake long ago, and the monero.com thing is just another reason they are a laughing stock
08:44:30 <r4v3r23[m]> but the actual "calling home" issue doesnt surprise me, nor does there response
08:44:53 <r4v3r23[m]> s/there/their/
08:44:59 <john_r365[m]> thanks for opening the issue ofrnxmr - it will be a good feature 
08:46:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> A very much needed feature for those who wish to use their wallet privately. As of current, you cant even open the wallet without making a request.
08:46:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Personally, I have it firewalled so only onion connections are allowed)
08:46:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Onion and lan*
08:47:21 <r4v3r23[m]> imagine needing to read the privacy policy of a privacy crypto wallet
08:47:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> The behavior in cake wallet - not too concerned
08:47:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> For monero.com IMHO it should respect the ideals set by gui 
08:47:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Imagine reading it and it being dishonest until you open an issue 
08:50:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dishonest, oversight, whatever.
08:50:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I run my own nodes for privacy, I dont use remote nodes under any circumstances. 
08:50:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> They also quietly added Google firebase and then quietly removed it 🍿.
08:50:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not hating. Again, cake wallet can do what they want. Monero.com should be clean enough to eat off of.
08:52:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> (I know firebase was added for update notifications. But 😅 if not for the backlash it would still be there)
08:54:27 <r4v3r23[m]> disgusting
08:55:42 * moneromooo goes look that one up
08:56:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/issues/113#issuecomment-1180342361
08:57:52 <moneromooo> So it's some kind of middleware which can report on what you do in the program itself ?
08:58:09 <moneromooo> (I just went to wikipedia :P)
08:59:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> From session's FAQ... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/de974e426661208ee4f9df33611ace56fefcbb96)
10:20:47 <john_r365[m]> Ofrnxmr - slightly off topic, but I think you mentioned Monerujo haven't signalled that theyre working on an update for v0.18.0 
10:20:47 <john_r365[m]> As it stands presumably the wallet will stop working at the HF.
10:20:47 <john_r365[m]> and did you say you have a fork with v.0.18 compatibility?
10:21:18 <john_r365[m]> s/./?/, s/and/Did/, s/did//
10:23:11 <john_r365[m]> Ah ok, I see a PR by mstniy
10:23:11 <john_r365[m]> https://github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet/pull/856
10:23:54 <john_r365[m]> So hopefully this gets integrated in time and there isn't a weird update lag
12:24:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> > <@john_r365:monero.social> Ofrnxmr - slightly off topic, but I think you mentioned Monerujo haven't signalled that theyre working on an update for v0.18.0... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/b282bd6b3189b360f639e3f995fd52a1981e15dd)
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14:16:38 <john_r365[m]> ErCiccione: ^ Monero.com has been removed from CoinGecko website section
14:37:11 <afungible[m]> I read the discussion with great interest. Wr.t. coingecko, the main concern is to not overshadow "getmonero.org" by having a website with similar name, e.g. monero.com
14:37:11 <afungible[m]> It's like having both Bitcoin.org and Bitcoin.com on coingecko. With user growth, people will naturally get confused (unless a clear disclaimer is provided - which I don't see).
14:37:11 <afungible[m]> With well funded development of a for-profit website, the traffic of getmonero.org (official) can be stifled & can be misleading to new users (on which is official). I think this is the main concern (with coingecko listing monero.com) & that which may look reasonable, given coingecko is trusted & used by most.
14:37:11 <afungible[m]> But again, one cannot control this everywhere. E.g. CMC can list any website should they be paid well. My 2 cents.