09:25:33 <ErCiccione> luigi1111 please merge when you have a chance
09:48:05 <moneromooo> The monero.com website still doesn't have an obvious disclaimer that it's squatting. Just the bottom the page stuff not many will notice. An oversight, I assume.
10:22:42 <ErCiccione> It has been pointed out to them multiple times and they said they are going to change it. Let's wait and see i would say
10:28:16 <moneromooo> I waited, and I saw...
10:30:32 <ErCiccione> yeah, but they know people are against listing them if there is the chance of confusing them for the official website, so it's in their interest to fix that. If they don't fix, i'd say the situation will be clear to everyone
10:31:53 <ErCiccione> ah but wait, the disclaimer you are talking about wasn't there before afaict. So i guess that's their way to make it clear. That's quite ridiculus. I hope that's just the preview of biggest changes to come
10:32:30 <ErCiccione> otherwise it's quite hard to not see it as an attempt to mislead people
10:32:30 <moneromooo> What, the "official site: getmonero.org" at the bottom ? It was there IIRC.
10:32:42 <moneromooo> It's pretty damn clearly that.
10:33:09 <ErCiccione> i might have missed it
10:34:08 <moneromooo> It's the "but it's there in the fine print in a locked cabinet in a disused lavatory in the basement..." thing again :D
10:38:00 <ErCiccione> 😛 Waiting for "our terms of service say it clearly". We already got "it's in the faq"
10:39:09 <moneromooo> I don't see a question about it in the faq though.
10:39:36 <moneromooo> I can't imagine they'd to it. "Are you squatting htis site ?"  "Why, yes we are".
10:40:05 <moneromooo> Ah, it is in "Who is behind monero".
10:40:49 <ErCiccione> yeah i guess that's what they referred to.
14:04:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> "I'd like to note that the reasons I treat monero.com with higher scrutiny than other wallets is because it is called monero.com.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/f4c381bfe4e901beeea6d16c261ff5935dee23c0)
14:05:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ErCiccione> "ah but wait, the disclaimer..." <- It was
18:33:15 <ErCiccione> arbitrator up and my instances coming up
18:33:26 <ErCiccione> sorry, wrong chat 
18:38:10 <vikCake[m]> <moneromooo> "It's pretty damn clearly that." <- its been there since the day we launched.
18:39:11 <vikCake[m]> <john_r365[m]> "ErCiccione: ^ Monero.com has..." <- Excellent
18:55:45 <gonbatfire[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> "I'd like to note that the reasons I treat monero.com with higher scrutiny than other wallets is because it is called monero.com.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/11e971d8af4cb8304094f4349847237d1f1d1b43)
19:00:17 <gonbatfire[m]> > "...If not for the monero.com name, the following wouldnt matter.
19:00:17 <gonbatfire[m]> - id like monero.com to be..."
19:00:17 <gonbatfire[m]> ofrnxmr: None of us get to decide what the Monero means or how its wallets should be like
19:00:17 <gonbatfire[m]> Cake Labs is private company as is free to do what it desires in regards to its products, then it's up to the users/market to decide whether they are crap or not
19:00:49 <gonbatfire[m]> No one owns the Monero brand, not even whoever runs getmonero.org
19:00:54 <selsta> but they want to get added to getmonero.org, so people will give feedback
19:01:28 <moneromooo> They have the right, and I have the right to bitch about their dishonesty.
19:02:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right. They can pretend to be an official wallet and dox all of their users NP.
19:02:26 <moneromooo> But can you imagine if some large (non-MS) software vendor registered windows.com to push their windows related wares ? They'd be sued in an instant.
19:02:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im sure monero community agrees with that
19:02:43 <moneromooo> And they pretend hte'yre not sqiuatting, the little shits.
19:02:45 <gonbatfire[m]>  * \> "...If not for the monero.com name, the following wouldnt matter.
19:02:45 <gonbatfire[m]> - id like monero.com to be..."
19:02:45 <gonbatfire[m]> ofrnxmr: None of us get to decide what the Monero means or how its wallets should be like
19:02:45 <gonbatfire[m]> Cake Labs is private company as is free to do what it desires in regards to its products, then it's up to the users/market to decide whether they are crap or not
19:02:52 <gonbatfire[m]>  * > "...If not for the monero.com name, the following wouldnt matter.
19:02:52 <gonbatfire[m]> - id like monero.com to be..."
19:02:52 <gonbatfire[m]> ofrnxmr: None of us get to decide what the Monero means or how its wallets should be like
19:02:52 <gonbatfire[m]> Cake Labs is private company as is free to do what it desires in regards to its products, then it's up to the users/market to decide whether they are crap or not
19:03:05 <gonbatfire[m]> s/>//, s///
19:03:26 <moneromooo> Well, one of them was. Can't recall who.
19:04:07 <gonbatfire[m]> Ah crap my phone app works like crap sorry for the mixed up messages lol
19:04:40 <gonbatfire[m]> moneromooo: Microsoft owns Windows, who owns Monero?
19:04:57 <moneromooo> I don't think anyone does, but that's not the point.
19:05:09 <moneromooo> You can be a little shit even if what you squat isn't owned.
19:06:03 <moneromooo> Honesty isn't about what is legal, but what is... I dunno, ethical ?
19:06:11 <moneromooo> Honest. I guess.
19:06:17 <gonbatfire[m]> Squatting would be to pretend to own something you don't, by definition they can't be squatting 
19:06:29 <moneromooo> What bullshut.
19:06:47 <selsta> the only way to find out this isn't the offical monero website is by clicking through the faq, or the tiny text on the bottom of the website
19:06:52 <moneromooo> The'yre pretending to be monero. They're not.
19:07:20 <gonbatfire[m]> getmonero.org isn't monero either, who decides that?
19:07:24 <moneromooo> They're trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the people who end up there. Whether someone owns monero is irrelevant.
19:07:29 <moneromooo> Cunt...
19:07:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests The Monero Project endorses you or your use.
19:07:41 <gonbatfire[m]> You can call them dishonest if you want
19:07:42 <gonbatfire[m]> but  it's not squatting 
19:07:43 <moneromooo> Trying to play lawyer over honesty... Jesus...
19:07:52 <moneromooo> Fuck you too, cunt.
19:07:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.getmonero.org/legal/#copyright
19:08:38 <moneromooo> For trying word games to hide dishonesty.
19:08:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Squatting against a centralized entity? No
19:08:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> But doing dishonest, foe profit business in the name of others work? Yes
19:09:50 <gonbatfire[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: lol that's referring to the content in their website, not the Monero source code or something
19:09:55 <moneromooo> Man, this shit really pisses me off.
19:10:15 <gonbatfire[m]> lmao
19:11:44 <gonbatfire[m]> crying (insulting) because they can't enforce what they want in a decentralized project
19:11:58 <moneromooo> YEARS of my life I worked for this. And these cunts are trying to pass themselves off as this. FUCK YOU CAKE.
19:12:24 <gonbatfire[m]> I guess enjoy what little power you think you have by deciding what goes into getmonero.org
19:13:13 <gonbatfire[m]> moneromoo is not Monero, Fluffy is not Monero, thankful_for_today is not Monero, sorry to break it to you
19:14:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> You must have no idea how much of monero is moneromoo
19:14:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> gonbatfire[m]: This IS the context of the chat
19:15:40 <gonbatfire[m]> I know of his contributions, and I'm inmensely grateful for his work, still that doesn't give him any authority  
19:16:06 <gonbatfire[m]> or the right to insult me
19:16:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> You are a non profit, decentealized anon dev environment, and some COMPANY uses "your" name and wants you to recommend them while they break the privacy of the protocol you built. All the while users mistake them for the real thing 
19:28:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> "The real thing?? Who decides what the real thing is??"... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/29394b11ec9d0389c0ff9df9aba609748278fb51)
19:31:20 <gonbatfire[m]> Vik gave the thumbs up to my suggestion of changing the text "Recommended wallet app" to "Recommended by CakeLabs", I think that's a move in the right direction
19:31:51 <gonbatfire[m]> My backlash is mainly against the idea of CakeLab giving the domain to whoever runs getmonero.org
19:32:08 <gonbatfire[m]> * idea of demanding CakeLab giving
19:32:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont think cake should have to hand the domain over, but should remove it from corporate ownership 
19:32:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not "should" but would be tjeost honest thing
19:32:57 <gonbatfire[m]>  * My backlash is mainly against the idea of demanding CakeLab to give the domain to whoever runs getmonero.org
19:35:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> A website is centralized regardless.
19:35:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> The issue with the website isnt, to me, that they own it. But ideally, id say it should redirect to getmonero.org or show a link on homepage to "looking for the official site? Getmonero.org" or something
19:35:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> I say official because getmonero is not a for profit where who knows how huge the backer is. Monero.com was something to the tune of 400k.
19:35:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> We only have 90k for hackerone bounties 
19:59:36 <nioc> to me it is simple   
19:59:46 <nioc> it is obvious that monero dot com can easily be mistaken for being the official website  
19:59:58 <nioc> coingecko made this mistake  
20:00:10 <nioc> it should be obvious that there should be info on the site that makes this fact.....obvious
20:01:09 <nioc> in a way that is obvious when people land on the site
20:01:21 <afungible[m]> There is a conflict of interest.
20:01:21 <afungible[m]> And I believe it would be right on part of Cake/monerocom to do the right thing to address relevant concerns cited above, "point by point". It is for their own good scaling forward and for the good of this ecosystem to keep things intact (lest we want such concerns break the community apart & create animosity, which can hurt them & people who built Monero for what it is today - even if it sounds too exaggerated, its likely).
20:01:21 <afungible[m]> I do not know whats a good compromise, but whatever it is, they should help set the wheels in motion in the most honest way possible.
20:03:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> On subject of coingecko, I also reject their questionable "in your face", priority listing lol. 
20:07:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2010
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20:12:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Steps to trolling:
20:12:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. List monero.com as the official website
20:12:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2. Open a pr after you've been contacted about it, asking for priority placement
20:12:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wonder if they opened a pr on monero.com GitHub asking for special treatment there as well /s
20:24:53 <selsta> my main concern is also currently that monero.com can be confused for the official website and adding a tiny link at the bottom of the website won't solve this
20:30:45 <afungible[m]> <selsta> "my main concern is also currentl..." <- Absolutely agree, without any reservations. This is a no brainier. And I feel they can do much better.
20:30:45 <afungible[m]> If having getmonero accept them as endorsed wallet, its on their part irrespective, to clearly indicate getmonero is the "core" website. I don't know how they would do it without them having some consequences, but looks imperative.
20:31:27 <plowsof> not sure if posted here (but it is an hour old) - moneromoo's pr to remove cake wallet entirely from getmonero https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2013
20:36:43 <selsta> ok mooo summed it well up
20:37:41 <nioc> I am not on github and mooo is no currently here.  I assume there is a typo in the last paragraph > I acknowledge has little change of being merged,  
20:37:46 <nioc> s/change/chance