09:54:35 Hello guys :) I recieve notifications, have read all the messages. So we have two managers Diego Salazar: and monerobull @monerobull:monero.social: to coordinate a workgroup and still having the same endless debate about Astro and javascript. I am glad that my CCSs donations are used wisely :) 09:55:26 tihi 09:55:51 i think we have a decent approach planned for now 09:56:08 set up the design tool, worry about the implementation later 09:57:06 You mean the scheduled meeting ? 09:57:38 no, what we talked about yesterday 09:58:01 Personnally I prefer to communicate async. It's annoying to commit to meetings. 09:58:41 Yeah I dont see which conclusions emerge from yesterday 09:59:11 thats because the conclusion is my head canon :D 10:13:52 There is basically no obstacle at using Astro, it's just that monero devs have expressed concerns but at my understanding over misconceptions 10:14:29 They don't know about SSG with Vite and all that, and since the current website is written with Jekyll... It just need to be told, probably next meeting 10:14:49 people would go "hurr durr the feds have compromised monero" if we add anything with java in the name 10:15:17 If we start caring about people's opinions based on misconceptions then the project is already dead 10:16:12 it's very easy to make a reddit post saying: 10:16:12 *We're working on a new website with the Astro javascript Framework. And no, this doesn't mean javascript is included whatsoever. It's a SSG framework, so at the end everything are just plain HTML/CSS files* 10:17:14 *Don't you worry about Tor Browser safest mode* 10:19:10 🙌 10:20:22 <321bob321:monero.social> 1. works with no-js 10:20:22 <321bob321:monero.social> 2. people can easily contribute, without uni degree 10:20:24 Yep so many people will criticize without knowing anything, without trying to inform themselves. 10:21:49 We could have two websites also... 10:22:03 <321bob321:monero.social> chain split 10:22:15 That's the way 10:23:39 Can setup a Kuno 10:24:08 <321bob321:monero.social> probably confuse people 10:24:17 <321bob321:monero.social> like monerodevs 10:25:26 <321bob321:monero.social> tbh 10:25:42 <321bob321:monero.social> website wont change to astro 10:25:50 Maybe but the result would be better without all the technical constraints 10:25:51 <321bob321:monero.social> your ccs got nuked by core 10:26:24 <321bob321:monero.social> its wishful thinking by new website ceo and community pa 10:27:05 Luigii didn't say that exactly but yeah, that's why I am saying we can have an other alternative website. 10:29:10 <321bob321:monero.social> see plowsof got coolify to work instead of using netlify, doubt they'll change to it 10:29:59 That doesnt matter. You can use Astro on Coolify 10:30:52 <321bob321:monero.social> yeah i know, but they wont change 10:31:13 <321bob321:monero.social> also look at this stupidity https://github.com/monero-project/monero-docs 10:31:28 <321bob321:monero.social> could of forked monerodocs and use mkdocs 10:34:17 <321bob321:monero.social> for instance drop downs dont work on just-for-docs with safest mode 10:35:56 Need full CSS dropdowns like the demo 10:39:33 Well, I think it's not a bad idea to have current website tor compatible, no-js, nuclear war resistant. And a second website with js, without all those constraints, and we focus on usability and content, to be a real hub for the community. Also would allow us being less serious, having a meme section for example. 10:41:56 As much as I love Astro (your demo website have been entry point into javascript world thx again), there is no way core is accepting a second website that is *less serious* it will have to be a CCS backed user-owned website. 10:42:43 I'm all for it, but I don't think it'll ever be accepted. You can still ask tho 10:42:45 Yes I am not asking their permission 10:42:54 oh 10:43:28 alright, if you feel like it then go ahead. 10:43:55 <321bob321:monero.social> As long as its domain is getmonero._____ 10:44:06 <321bob321:monero.social> Isnt* 12:12:40 In my opinion they look like normal websites. I do understand why we would like to keep the 90's design, feels more "open-source", "grassroot". But it doesn't appeal to everyone. 12:17:47 I like polkadot design, but I hate thorchain one for sure 13:58:13 We've had a day. :) 14:47:07 whom should I bribe to remove MyMonero from the website? 14:58:38 I didn't get what you mean 15:11:19 depends on if you can outbid fluffy or not /s 15:15:53 Meaning mb and I have had a single day where we've taken part in these discussions. I understand Monero stuff moves at a glacial pace, and so circling back to the beginning can be very very frustrating. 15:16:08 I really do. I lived and breathed Monero for years and that was my reality. 15:16:26 But give just a bit more patience as we tackle a few things in the first couple of weeks here. :) 15:41:57 I'm doing my own research here now, but can you describe why you think astro over other static site generators? 15:48:55 11ty: https://www.11ty.dev/ 16:47:27 Alright. As requested, I've contacted luigi about opening up github Discussions on monero-site, and he did so 16:47:28 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/discussions 17:17:41 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2282 17:20:11 does general changes to monero-site deployed when there's a new release of monero software? plowsof 17:44:25 normally site deploy is independent of new monero release - but as a new release is imminent it's just convenient. previously core / bF has shared their dislike for deploying site too often because of [redacted actions that are done to deploy where mistakes can be made/extra risks taken] 19:27:54 <321bob321:monero.social> Pr was in may 19:28:06 <321bob321:monero.social> Give plowsof merge powers!