14:42:17 <m-relay> <q​uickex:matrix.org> Hey team! My name is Mike, I'm marketer of Quickex - online cryptoexchange. We already provide one of the best rates on Trocador and OrangeFren and  would like to be listed in Merchants category on your website.
14:45:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hi Mike,
14:45:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> everyone seems to be in vacation today for an unknown reason. The website is being revamped and is still in design phase atm. You're the first one to ask directly for a marketing collaboration. We can't guarantee you anything as we haven't formalized this topic yet. At my understanding there will be people against listing centralized exchanges in the website. But this is something<clipped message>
14:45:55 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social>  we can definitely discuss next meeting (I think in two weeks)
14:45:57 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cc: Diego Salazar
14:50:00 <m-relay> <q​uickex:matrix.org> We are not centralized exchange. Quickex is no kyc crypto exchange. So would be pleasure to discuss any questions you have regarding our service
14:51:43 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> From the community point of view, a centralized exchange is any exchange (fiat or crypto) that isn't decentralized in the p2p sense. I did understand you were a crypto exchange. i'm sorry if I confused you
14:54:02 <m-relay> <q​uickex:matrix.org> Got you. Anyway, hope that our current listings, presence on Monerica.com and activity in telegram Monero community give some loyalty
14:55:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Quickex has a pr on -site
14:55:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> quickex:  i'm nahuhh
14:56:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I suggest people _read the prs_
14:56:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody is on vacation
14:56:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof hardened and myself work everyday
14:57:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2318
14:57:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There haven't been any merges or deployments since you opened the pr
14:57:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the sentence means there is low activity compared to other day bro. no need to take it to the word
14:58:46 <m-relay> <q​uickex:matrix.org> yes sir, thats our account as well for devs. I can log in from it in order not to confuse you
14:59:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No problem. I'm just letting you kniw that we havent forgotten about you. We just havent prioritized adding merchants until we have some community sentiment
15:00:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I personally tried your exchange (via trocador) and all went well
15:00:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> same, went well
15:01:26 <m-relay> <q​uickex:matrix.org> honestly super glad to hear that! Working hard on increasing trust and loyalty to our service
15:11:02 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> [Offtopic]: ofrnxmr I think your xmr.mx user need to get into #monero-support:monero.social . I don't have the power to invite you.
15:42:29 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> plowof-hardned? where is that fork?
15:43:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nsfw
15:44:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> damn nsfw is everywhere these days
15:44:23 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> poor plow-hrdn
15:47:09 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> we should add a criteria at the bottom of this page https://www.getmonero.org/community/merchants/
15:49:11 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> so people can know if they are elligable to be added
15:49:21 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> exchanges*
15:50:06 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> agree, should be discussed next meeting
15:52:51 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> should also add a warning on https://www.getmonero.org/resources/tools/ for "Address Generators"
15:53:21 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> appreciate the warning from https://monerotech.info/
15:53:23 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >This is a server-based app: If you enter your own "hot" seeds or secret keys anywhere the server could, in principle, spy on you or even steal all your coins. Any new seeds and keys are calculated on the server as well, not locally in your browser.
15:54:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We dont even list getmonero.org/generator
15:56:10 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> great
15:56:17 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> can download it as an offline file
15:56:31 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >Based on code from MyMonero
15:56:35 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> lol
16:02:22 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> is https://moneroj.net/ accessible?
16:03:41 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no
16:03:58 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/FUwcvYvTMNjgrjsjbAsvJsTi
16:04:00 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> looks dead, should be removed from https://www.getmonero.org/resources/tools/
16:04:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Morpheus:
16:05:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Theyve been under ddos with trocador
16:05:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> might not be dead
16:05:20 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> oh k :(
16:06:26 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> what about https://monerohash.com/nodes-distribution.html, working?
16:06:47 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> I'm using a VPN, check-host showing it works
16:07:11 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> blocks VPN/Tor?
16:09:51 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> website needs to get deployed as some revmovals are arleadt approved PRs from months ago
16:19:21 <m-relay> <c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Hey guys
16:19:35 <m-relay> <c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> I think it's a njalla problem, I noticed earlier today as well
16:20:04 <m-relay> <c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> I tried to ssh into moneroj but failed
16:20:12 <m-relay> <c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> I'll try rebooting
16:20:34 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> tried https://incognet.io/?
16:21:11 <m-relay> <c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Yeah I know incognet, I was just avoiding having to set up a new server haha
16:21:35 <m-relay> <c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> I'll debug today to see, but it might just be a njalla problem really
16:21:41 <m-relay> <c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> They are not very good
16:25:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Crunchbits
16:55:29 <m-relay> <c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Working again
18:44:27 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego Salazar can we have a forum ?
18:44:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> forum.getmonero.org is beyond outdated
18:45:05 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and no one wants to use lemmy
18:45:21 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> forum.monero.space
18:46:32 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Just not yet. Impending v0.18.3.4 blog post by selsta. Best to wait till then, that way all merged PRs *and* point release blog post go live at the same time.
18:47:13 <selsta> having some issue currently with macOS GUI which is delaying the release
18:47:39 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx you sar
18:48:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theres nothing stopping us from deploying twice aside from whether or not we want to ask bF to deploy twice
18:50:02 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I just want a single website with links from all the part of the community. Because Reddit really f*cked us good by banning everyone
18:50:18 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> now r/monero is a zombie town
18:52:35 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> We can see up a discourse or flarum?
18:53:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🔮 it will be dead
18:53:37 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Isn't that what hungouts in gm do?
18:53:48 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> flarum works good with grapheneos
18:53:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so i would say flarum
18:54:28 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> whats *hungouts in gm*
18:56:20 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> doesn't follow monero theme
18:56:26 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> librejo follows it
18:56:56 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> discourse
18:57:24 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Discourse work great for everyone, better UI/UX plugins, themeing
18:57:56 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> privacyguides, techlore, all linux distros forums
18:57:57 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> BRUV.
18:57:59 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> most*
18:58:12 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Do you know how to read? https://www.getmonero.org/community/hangouts/
18:59:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Its where you hang people out to dry
19:00:11 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> acronyms
19:00:25 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> gm = good morning
19:00:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sick of forums…
19:00:57 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> No lol. Gm get monero. Context.
19:01:00 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> r/monero bonk
19:01:06 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> like tob feather
19:01:26 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Don't reinvent the wheel, sign up on forum.monero.space and build the network effect yourself.
19:02:26 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> who runs it? probably will last and functional better that gm guys
19:02:33 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> than*
19:03:23 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> xmrscott
19:03:55 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> lol
19:14:39 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah…..nah
19:39:30 <nioCat> we had a forum back in the day, great for spam
19:40:13 <nioCat> oh we have a problem with macOS?  how am I not surprised ?
19:41:12 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> No surprise face?
20:34:02 <selsta> nioCat: solved it already
20:34:49 <selsta> some required tool I was using got decomissioned by Apple so I had to figure out how to use the replacement
20:35:01 <selsta> someone please review for typos or other mistakes https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2354/files
20:39:33 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Just went through it quickly, initial glance looks all good. Marked as ready.
20:39:55 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Didn't see any typoes or broken links. Useful if a couple others proofread too.
20:48:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lgtm
20:53:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> good to merge: 2342, 2321, 2333
20:53:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> confirm 2331 with bf
20:53:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> hardenedsteel:  can you approve 2327 if all good
20:53:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2326 should be good too
20:57:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2335
20:57:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2352
20:59:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2347
20:59:47 <plowsof> do we care about saying contributors are largely unfunded when (apart from luigi) they all have open ccs' https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2354/files#r1723971062 
21:00:59 <selsta> i mean either we keep it or we remove it for all
21:01:11 <selsta> i don't want to adapt it for each release depending on who contributed
21:01:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I just grabbed a sip of tea when i read that part
21:02:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2342 (replace cake with monero.com), and 2318 (quickex) should be fine as well @plowsof
21:05:36 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> tf2 meme?
21:05:53 <plowsof> we can make it a seperate issue to create some universal statement if people have a problem with it (i dont have the stats to show that the majority of  releases now have contributers that _are_ largely funded) 
21:06:10 <plowsof> no reason to make the blog wait 
21:07:22 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> will that blog force website deploy?
21:07:26 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> or just wait in the queue
21:07:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kermit
21:07:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes
21:08:24 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> thanks selsta for saving us
21:09:30 <plowsof> unless of course everyone says this is perfect and it replaces the statement in every blog within the next 60 seconds "This release was made possible by the efforts of 8 contributors who dedicated their time and skills, whether funded through the Community Crowdfunding System (CCS) or through voluntary contributions"
21:10:09 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> why even mention CCS?
21:10:16 <plowsof> 'you can be paid to contirbute??? BRB'
21:10:20 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tsmt
21:10:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because it currently says "unpaid"
21:10:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> better to just remove the paid/u oaid altogether next time
21:10:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Inclusivity
21:11:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Volunteers are are appreciated as paid contributors
21:11:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> very progressive 😎
21:11:19 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> very progressive 😎
21:12:10 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> probably don't want to deter anyone contrivuting because they just want to fix some bug or improve something without applying at monero glassdoor
21:12:40 <plowsof> they could be funded through <any> platform, so its a tricky one to have to mention the known/unknown platforms 
21:12:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah. I'm all for removing the line altogether next time (even retroactively)
21:13:01 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> agree with this
21:14:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> `This release was the direct result of 8 people who worked, largely unpaid and altruistically, to put out 39 commits containing 535 new lines of code. We'd like to thank them very much for their time and effort. In no particular order they are:` to `This release was the direct result of 8 people who put out 39 commits containing 535 new lines of code. We'd like to thank them very <clipped message>
21:14:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> much for their time and effort. In no particular order they are:`
21:14:27 <selsta> let's change it next time
21:14:37 <selsta> already sent everything to bF
21:14:46 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> lol
21:14:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Perfect
21:15:25 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> don't want to overwhelm the pigeon carrying message to bf
21:15:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Pigeons is a different person 😝
21:16:28 <plowsof> yep for another time, not last minute thing. thanks selsta 
21:18:46 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> why next time?
21:19:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because bf is about to merge and deploy
21:19:31 <plowsof> have to come to a consensus on what to do. i should have raised the issue sooner
21:19:46 <plowsof> pretend i didnt mention it
21:19:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its like Christmas
21:21:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And next time is good consensus. Hopefully we'll have quicker merges and deployments now
21:42:56 <plowsof> im not interested in replacing cake with monero dot com 
21:44:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why not note both
21:44:26 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just add monero.com aside cake wallet
21:44:43 <plowsof> that PR didnt go well 
21:45:12 <plowsof> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2007
21:45:14 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh
21:46:19 <plowsof> in the thread i offer a dumb suggestion of keeping cake but changing the URL to monero dot com lol 
21:47:35 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok 2007 ended up badly. can we retry this time ?
21:48:06 <plowsof> are we going to start going through the list of wallets and replacing them with a monero only (or close to) version? why? some users want less apps 
21:48:15 <plowsof> stack wallet has a stack duo for example https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2081
21:48:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats fair
21:51:20 <plowsof> (the list of wallets is small enough to actually go through them and do that lol)
21:53:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> <p​lowsof> im not interested in replacing cake with monero dot com << the idea here is that came is a multiwallet, monero.com is a monero wallet. We are still linking to cakewallet.com in the pr
21:54:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> <p​lowsof> in the thread i offer a dumb suggestion of keeping cake but changing the URL to monero dot com lol  << lololol plowsof is the opposite 😆
21:55:04 <plowsof> oh i see
21:55:17 <plowsof> where am i 
21:56:32 <plowsof> do they list monero dot com wallet here though https://cakewallet.com/
21:56:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> yes
21:57:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And cakewallet.com isnt behind cloudflare captcha
21:57:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cakewallet.com also has link to fdroid repo
21:58:18 <plowsof> stackwallet duo yes or no?
21:58:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Duo isnt maintained to the lvl of stack
21:58:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Duo is also still a muktiwallet
21:59:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> So idk if id bother recommending duo over stack. If stack made a monero-only version, yes. They have epiccash-only and firo-only wallets, duo is btc+xmr
21:59:56 <plowsof> so stack dont care about the almost monero only wallet in their line :-o
22:00:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah. Lol. Ppl complain a lot about duo not getting updates. I think its up to date now, but for a while it went without a release
22:01:18 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> poor rehrar
22:01:39 <plowsof> ok so an outsider could say we're working for cake and pumping both their business ventures (the original cake and their new* monero dot com wallet) 
22:01:50 <plowsof> also someting to consider
22:02:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> nah, more that we consider cake a shitcoin wallet now
22:03:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> i use cake too... just not for xmr
22:03:48 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> multicoin wallets are less secure imo
22:03:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think the *we* in *we consider* is inaccurate
22:04:20 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not just talking about myself
22:04:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lot of people still respect and use cake wallet for xmr and other
22:04:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> A shitcoin wallet = the coins they support and the focus of the wallet
22:05:13 <plowsof> it is both a "punishment" and a "reward" to cake 
22:05:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> depends on the wallet implementation, but generally yes there is more attack surface
22:05:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> nothing WRONG with it, but we asked for a monero-only wallet
22:05:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I have cake, monero.com, stack wallet, mysu, anonero and xmruw installed
22:06:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> i dont use cake for xmr
22:07:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> i use cake for ccs and generalfund view keys*
22:07:39 <plowsof> i admit my cake wallet knowledge is probably a year + old 
22:08:07 <plowsof> has something major happened ( added way more coins? sentiment changed?)
22:08:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nano, tron, solana, polygon, eth
22:09:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If stack made a monero-only wallet (that was kept up to date), id want tk replace stack wallet with the monero-only version
22:10:07 <plowsof> there is no merge list so dont worry about getting things into the release deploy 
22:10:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> firo, for example, doesnt recommend stack. They recommend campfire (or whatever its called)
22:10:37 <plowsof> interesting 
22:11:20 <plowsof> edge wallet sips tea 
22:11:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/firoorg/campfire/releases/tag/v2.0.1
22:11:29 <plowsof> >_> <_< 
22:12:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Edge wallet needs tk be removed
22:12:05 <plowsof> ok thanks this is all new info 
22:12:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ships trackers
22:12:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/cypherstack/stack_duo <<2 months since update on master
22:13:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I want to ask the question here just in case someone knows but who tf manage automoderator on r/monero. This bot is still spreading proprietary spyware wallets
22:13:36 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its been years now
22:13:47 <plowsof> we can raise the concern to debruyne 
22:13:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its a conspiracy
22:14:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/cypherstack/epic-mobile
22:17:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tldr: stack wallet is better than stack duo due to support. 
22:17:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero.com and cake share the same repo and are updated simultaneously. All else being equal, I'd personally prefer prioritize "pure" monero wallets over multiwallets