00:45:56 <321bob321:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/lSVEMdBFArjjsrKQRQLxnJrx 00:46:11 <321bob321:monero.social> you know 5 out of the 7 are bad for privacy 01:33:59 facebook already dead 01:59:42 Twit, reddit, fb, github, telegram, discord, matrix and irc 01:59:53 > <@321bob321:monero.social> sent an image. 01:59:54 Twit, reddit, fb, github, telegram, discord, lemmy, matrix and irc 02:00:04 I think all are 06:19:54 erm akshually, durov said that Telegram was the best privacy messenger 06:20:13 and since the CIA is after him he is right 08:33:46 clipboard.png 08:33:53 They are too dumb 08:51:06 least glowie kim tweet 12:29:16 Well, I am not looking charts on coinmarketcap. Also, look at XMR/BTC 12:31:45 Well, I am not looking charts on coinmarketcap. I suppose you don't know technical analysis. 12:31:46 Also, look at XMR/BTC 12:33:22 idk what you're looking to but its not from coinmarketcap and its XMR/BTC chart 12:35:41 39000% more to go folks 12:39:42 Or btc can fall by 99.75% 🔥 13:10:14 I can be wrong but I believe we will breakout the 2 years range soon and surperform BTC 13:11:44 We suffered enough!! 13:13:48 Until 18.5m xmr is worth more than 19.5m btc, i dont think we've "broken out" 13:14:13 1xme = 1xmr and SHOULD = 1.1btc 13:15:12 Anyone selling 1xmr for 0.0002 btc is simple insane and loves to be taken advantage of. 13:15:12 Someone's going to whack me for being offtopic 14:53:47 do you use reddit? seems like mass block there 15:03:43 they block tor users 15:03:59 ive been banned from reddit for yrs 15:04:04 You can use monero.town 15:04:50 Were having a meeting right now in #monero-community:monero.social 15:05:02 You should come sit in 15:07:07 havent used tor, still banned( 15:10:07 audio call or just texting? 15:19:27 Text 15:47:18 spirobel: hi 15:47:42 Stack only supports sending and receiving of Solana atm. ETH sending and receiving of ETH as well as ERC-20s. 15:47:52 I know that's very limited but it's all we got right now. 15:48:03 Now onto website stuff 15:48:20 I don't think there was any serious consideration given to things like Wordpress given its security issues. Or anything with a dynamic backend, really. 16:00:18 Hey guys, I have written a Monero wallet criteria. 16:00:18 Minimum Requirements: 16:00:20 * doesn't require any PII (Personally Identifiable Information) 16:00:22 * non-custodial wallet 16:00:24 * must receive regular updates. 16:00:26 * client must be open source 16:00:28 * No tracking / can opt-out 16:00:30 * Can lock wallet with passcode & encrypts database 16:00:32 Best Case: 16:00:34 * software received a security audit 16:00:36 * provides hashes and binaries are signed 16:07:06 name me a reproducible xmr wallet lmao 16:07:30 feather 16:07:32 aside from wallet cli and gui 16:08:28 and feather ofc 16:08:39 reminder you are looking at "Best Case:" 16:08:44 Socks support has nothin 2 do with monero 16:09:01 Providing hashes doesnt either 16:09:17 bruh it is a criteria for wallet 16:09:27 security audit 16:10:02 Stack and cake had monero_c audited 16:10:14 by who? 16:10:38 by cyoherstack 16:10:48 cool 16:10:57 audit/reviewed Diego Salazar: to confirm which 16:11:07 Its not 16:11:21 wym? lol 16:11:22 "Lets delist everything mobile" 16:11:34 How do u provide hashes for iphone 16:11:46 hence why "best case" 16:12:02 you don't necessarily need to meet those, but it would be great if it does 16:13:33 Brb 16:13:43 Driving 16:15:59 i spend a lot of time looking into wordpress security. wordpress core is solid. even sqli will be limited in scope because of all the defenses. if you dont install lots of garbage plugins it is going to be more secure than the current mess 16:16:38 it is dynamic too.. the ci is building this stuff. just slower. there is still a weak link that can be infiltrated. 16:17:30 use something like phantom or backpack. do onchain swaps of new memecoin shitters.. use pump fun 16:18:13 send and receive is practically useless if that is all the functionality that the wallet offers 16:18:23 most users will want to interact with dapps 16:18:53 you have to be turbo out of touch to not realize this 16:19:39 if we want to compete with this we need to go in the same direction or get fdd 16:19:45 monero will have some disjoint dex projects and thats it 16:20:06 that have to be built natively with complex toolchains for a plethora of platforms 16:20:22 we could just target the web instead and focus our energy 16:28:48 Monero will have serai built into cake and that offers about everything you can do with xmr 16:29:34 send, receive, Swap, provide it as liquidity 16:29:56 so cake own monero. too much centralization that does not need to be 16:30:11 much better model to make it more open 16:30:21 Cake is foss 16:31:26 everyone works for cake though 16:31:39 Exvept rotten 16:31:51 oh, i thought we where in -offtopic sorry 16:32:12 And everyone can make their own serai powered monero wallet 16:40:42 just because something is foss does not mean it is not centralization 16:41:03 in practice if i fork cake 1. nobody would use it 16:41:12 if it catches on or my changes are good 16:41:28 they will just copy it and take all the rewards 16:41:33 game over cake has won 16:41:44 limited innovation 16:43:24 if you use solana for a bit you start to recognize the difference in UX. its super close to a CEX ux 16:43:29 in some ways it is better 16:43:40 and there is more variety 16:44:14 and it is only possible because they use the web as the basic platform 16:44:55 sure we can close our eyes and cook serai there and haveno there and ofrn cooks particlr 16:45:28 so you install 3 apps fractured liq. maybe trocador papers it over a bit 16:45:44 but that means we are more centralized than solana which is not good look 16:46:19 we shouldnt have to have a centralized web service with a hot wallet inbetween to connect all this stuff 16:46:39 and i dont buy that steiner will bring all of this in order with flutter and dart tomorrow 16:47:26 there are just fundamental limitations to these technologies that will never be overcome. google fired the flutter team for a reason. the ship is sinking for this platform. 16:48:23 stack abd elite wallet forked cake 16:48:46 a lot of evm chains forked eth 16:48:49 a lot of bitcoin forks, forked bitcoin 16:48:50 case in point 5k downloads 16:48:57 I dont believe in first mover = best or most uaed 16:49:04 agree 16:49:16 Btc isnt used as much as ltc, eth isnt used as much as solana or tron 16:49:28 but web platform and dapp connect is just not going to be beaten. just my 2cents 16:50:01 Elite is trash. Stack was very beta-ish until recently 16:50:12 Idk which one has 5k downloads 16:50:38 it makes the iteration cycle super low. we practically have to rebuild everything from the bottom and with new p2p protocol just to flip some coins back and forth 16:50:42 Mysu > monerujo and easily one of the best ive used, and was only available over tor and i2p 16:50:55 if we continue like this this shit is not going anywhere 16:51:19 thats my 2cents 16:51:27 cuz iteration cycle for innovation too slow 16:53:03 You just need to start a psyop 16:53:44 After you copied their entire wallet, so unfair 16:53:48 The decentralization of money is nothing without staking, dApps and web3! 16:54:19 Lmao what 16:54:54 3 separate apps vs 1 and you say option 1 is more centralized? 17:01:08 the decentralization of money is nothing without trustless decentralized exchanges. 17:01:31 and the ability to innovate on new wallet interaction UX without having to have the ressource of the largest player in the ecosystem 17:01:42 and the ability to innovate on new wallet interaction UX without having to have the resources of the largest player in the ecosystem 17:02:14 go to jup.ag . do what trocador does but completely trustless. 17:02:30 all of this shit works instantly 17:02:40 for sure you can clown on me here 17:03:03 He's always talking web3 nonsense and whining about financial matters, be nice to him. 17:04:34 he is taking computer literacy classes so he does not get scammed again, be nice to him. 17:06:20 Yeah bcs it's on Solana 17:06:30 lets talk dms 17:06:37 we dont need to shit up this channel 17:06:38 Which has went down how many times, 11? 17:46:27 usually u would open a PR, no need to fork if they are willing to merge in. 17:46:55 thanks for explaining open source to be rando 17:47:02 thanks for explaining open source to me rando 17:47:19 do you have a github? 17:47:24 yes/no why? 17:47:44 hopefully it is not dick measuring contest 17:47:48 https://github.com/spirobel pls give me a follow thanks 17:48:15 show us your weiner 17:49:00 yeah okay cake does not merge the PR. what do you do next rando ? 17:49:10 join elite and stacks wallet 17:49:21 creme de la creme on google play 17:50:16 you fork it, unless there are a lot of changes you want to make, so you make your own wallet 17:50:40 they won't be able to "steal" your changes that easily 17:50:40 take over the world. 17:50:58 you want sarcasm or being serious rn? 17:51:44 nah i am not serious because I doubt you are able to understand my point even if I explained it in every single autistic detail 17:52:20 talking in that way makes you feel better? 17:52:57 the fact that browser wallet UX is superior to 1000 half baked abondonware projects littered all over the community is self evident 17:53:06 yeah it is healing 17:53:14 💊 17:54:09 and? 17:55:58 yeah so instead of your plan of forking cake / building your own p2p protocol and building a native app for iphones, android, mac linux and windows ... you just deploy one webapp 17:56:12 which ecosystem wins? 17:56:14 first or second 17:56:37 lol you think webapps are superior? 17:58:32 you think an ecosystem is going to win where you have to do all this garbage (and never be able to finish it properly) instead of deploying one webapp? 17:58:42 just to innovate on one small thing? 18:00:39 in monero you have to practically be a cake employee and get thumbs up from daddy vik or you can basically gtfo with your innovations 18:00:53 thats what I mean by centralization around cake 18:01:49 if it cant be used within cake 99% of monero users will never see it 18:01:52 Sure, lets build non reproducible website that might turn one day to steal all users data, and increase attack vector 18:02:08 nah you misunderstand 18:02:23 these apps are non custodial 18:02:24 lol 18:02:29 and they get only limited abilities to execute transactions 18:02:49 website can be served with malicious JS 18:03:04 owww we have another expert developer here 18:03:12 link github or fuck off 18:03:13 can you stop whining? 18:03:19 meds 18:03:22 can you stop being stupid 18:03:41 whats your favorite programming language:? 18:03:48 do you know anything? 18:03:50 HTML of course 18:04:08 thats a markup language 18:04:14 no shit sherlock 18:06:59 English 18:07:54 what is your favorite programming language rottenwheel ? 😄 18:08:08 Docs.getmonero.org behind cloudflare ❤️🔥 18:08:26 no problem 18:08:47 you are not entering user credentials there 18:09:04 rando our new cypherpunk expert here 18:09:06 Do as you preach, retard. 18:09:12 Im working hard to unknowingly plant these backdoors tho 18:09:14 almost as much of an expert as rottenwheel 18:10:36 Rotten cant even edit screenshots. He hs me on ignore. You guys are unlucky 18:10:44 plowsof thoughts? 18:11:04 did you write this with ai? 18:11:25 you should be our new project manager here monero inc 18:11:29 you are hired 18:11:44 too many Monero heros wannabe nowadays 18:11:52 you should be our new project manager here at monero inc 18:12:09 true. glad we have a true expert like rando on board now 18:12:43 I never muted someone before, because I always knew that meds can fix people 18:12:47