08:24:13 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> Hi guys 👋 What need to list non kyc non custodial exschange to monero site?
08:32:11 <binaryFate> site deployed and dns records updated with v0.18.3.4
08:33:16 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks binaryFate !
08:36:01 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Explain
08:36:57 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> We have an exchange, and want to add to monero site
08:37:27 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "An exchange" is a pretty name. Very creative
08:38:35 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> goex.. go dex? maybe
08:39:32 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> https://goexme.io/ this one?
08:40:02 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> oh, you mean what the name? https://goexme.io/
08:40:04 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> How did you know?
08:40:26 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> email address is @goexme:matrix.org
08:40:51 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> okok
08:40:52 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> looks like https://godex.io/
08:41:15 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> these cookie cutter exchanges
08:42:16 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Artur:  how long have you been in business
08:42:25 <m-relay_> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 5mins
08:42:32 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2. How long have you had monero
08:42:48 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> godex its not ours) but you right) its looks similar
08:43:44 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 3. Do you have your own reserves of monero, or do you use a cex on thr backend
08:43:44 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 4. This IS custodial btw
08:44:00 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> would help to make an issue here also https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues
08:44:05 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> more than 3 years
08:44:17 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> You might nlt custody the funds, but, even worse, your CEX partner is
08:44:56 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> monero is our flagman coin, 70% of our volume is monero. We had it from start
08:47:29 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> 3. Now we have 3 CEX via api, but we are going to our liquidity in pairs BTC/XMR, XMR/USDT. 
08:47:30 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> 4. we do exchange via api, but we works with our nodes
08:48:49 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Xmr/btc currently uses your reserve? Or future?
08:49:06 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> maybe bestchange have their facts wrong (1 year 9 month) https://bestchange.com/goexme-exchanger.html
08:49:15 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which 3 cex have xmr
08:51:08 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> We have long wanted to abandon CEX, but so far we cannot find a solution that would allow us to exchange large volumes with the lowest commission and the best rate
08:51:58 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> Kucoin, HTX , MEXC
08:53:13 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> no, we didn't show up there right from the opening
08:54:00 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes, 6 months on bestchange, but they say you are 1 year 9 month old
08:54:00 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> small exchanges via our liquidity, less than 0.5 BTC
08:54:35 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> (i find the reviews funny but thats the name of the game i guess... no negative ones currently)
08:56:49 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> need make request?
08:57:19 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Better to create a pull request
08:57:21 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> we can put all this info in one place then, just easier for us
08:57:50 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2318
08:58:00 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> See here for an example
08:58:02 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> we are working with reviews, of course there are negative ones, but we always resolve them with clients
08:59:43 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Usually i like to see some feedback from monero community members about their experiences with the exchange
08:59:59 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> I understand that such requests take a very long time to be processed?
09:00:22 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^
09:01:48 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> minimum amount of btc to xmr is 0.1929 btc, is that an interesting metric?
09:02:07 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> 0.1754*
09:02:17 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> monero members usually don't like to be seen 🤭
09:02:32 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Quickex was relatively unheard of, but is ranked well on trocador and has had a few testimonials from users here.
09:02:36 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> minimum bch to xmr, is 35.55 or so , come on man
09:03:47 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> No litecoin?
09:03:53 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> 148 min for ltc
09:03:55 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> lol
09:04:19 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Minimum 56xmr for xmr > bch
09:05:12 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> NACK unless you adjust these minimums by an order or magnitude or 2
09:05:29 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> ranges are adjusted manually, now we are testing hypotheses on the minimum rate
09:06:20 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Minimum $10000 USD, basically
09:06:37 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🚮
09:07:41 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/vmTczJWGVpeuLQjBjOlZLFos
09:08:03 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> compare yourself to the competition @ trocador.app , now, this is not to say 'OTC' is bad.. a min of 5-10k is standard there
09:08:04 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Adjusted to $10000usd 😂
09:09:29 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/DtuLpdGaFTXnebvYXDRooTaE
09:09:59 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> this isnt OTC. This is kucoin/htx/mexc
09:11:25 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> Do decentralized solutions work now? We looked into this 2 years ago, but there was nothing
09:11:30 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/giOlmnbneQhiYADvfsRMDpeg
09:11:50 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Artur:  if i do this exchange, it will work, right? About to test now
09:12:21 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i mean, i laugh but the site says it is  possible
09:13:03 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> so you want to be listed right now?
09:13:09 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> you can try) we can do it
09:13:33 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ok, 1 sec while i.. gfu
09:13:44 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ok, 1 sec while i.. gfy
09:13:50 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> don't make an issue/pull request , would be a waste of your time
09:13:52 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> NACK scammer
09:14:10 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Make the pull request, so we can close it
09:15:06 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> I wanted to understand what the requirements are for this kind of exchangers, and also to understand what the Monero community lacks in order to make the best service and be on the Monero website as an exchange provider
09:15:13 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> of course, artur could be a competitor of goexme, and they have not announced xmr support officially. and this is a rouse
09:15:44 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "we can do it". Yeah? and i have a bridge in california i'd like to sell
09:16:06 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not being a scammer is #q
09:16:08 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> #1
09:16:23 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks for playing.
09:17:20 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> why you think I am a scammer?🙄
09:17:26 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kucoin, mexc and htx dont have 40kxmr (7 million usdt) and wont send that amount either. Super scam
09:17:41 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> a no kyc trace for 7 million usdt for monero using CEX's for liquidity?
09:17:45 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> Criteria sirs
09:18:15 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rando #1 no scamming
09:18:33 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> day volume only in Kucoin is 6 mln USDT
09:18:42 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: why only 7 million?
09:19:29 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> yes
09:19:30 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> but should be obvious
09:19:35 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Max is 9.5mill
09:19:44 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> reasonable
09:19:48 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I only have 7M in usdt
09:20:02 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> rando please share your obvious criteria
09:20:08 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The rest of my funds are in ZANO
09:20:42 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> this is a floating value, depends on the order book on the exchanges
09:21:11 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Show me 9.5m usdc/xmr liquidity please
09:21:56 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> I didn't create a one for merchants/exchanges
09:23:19 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i mean we do have loose criteria, but no 'achieve this this and this' and you'll be listed.
09:23:45 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> i accept bribes
09:23:48 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> a recent one, concerns over their AML policy where raised so something else to consider
09:23:52 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats #1 criteria
09:24:14 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Send my other account (plowsof) 10000xmr and we can list instantly
09:24:21 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> do they use standard monero wallet implementation fee calcs also
09:24:42 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> They use exchanges directly
09:25:19 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> This NEEDS research. Trocsdor has a fee partners that dont use standard fees
09:26:03 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The only way to find out of goex uses standard frees, is to send then $10000 usdz
09:26:21 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ofrnxmr will not test
09:26:26 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> so a minimum trade amount is clearly important to some
09:27:04 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> fees? we can't keep track of every single trade so not a good metric
09:27:06 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> exchange fees%
09:27:10 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> For a swapper, those high minimums are just low effort scamming
09:27:15 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fee/byte
09:27:43 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero is standardized, 000020480000
09:27:57 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Some swappers use like 000022220000
09:28:18 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> just search within the community and online about their reputation
09:28:21 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> reddit etc
09:28:23 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which clearly identifies the transaction as a swap from their exchange
09:28:42 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The minimum is 10kusd. They have no rep
09:29:00 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> has to be a joke
09:29:12 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The max ks 9.5mill
09:29:18 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> would surprised to be no KYC with that amount being the minimum
09:30:26 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rando, test out the swapper for me
09:30:54 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ill reimburse you if funds are lost. Try the 9.5m swap
09:31:39 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> is it me or the ratings looks botted? https://www.trustpilot.com/review/exme.io
09:31:57 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> looks like there's a pattern
09:32:17 <m-relay_> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i did say they looked "funny" but.... name of the game. competitors could even spam you with positive bogus reviews
09:33:42 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cmon. Do you relly there 55 people sid exchanfes of 10k +?
09:35:10 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> need a loan
09:36:12 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe Artur:  can send me 10k (+fees) worth of xmr to test with?
09:36:44 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> looks like a russian exchange
09:36:59 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/OsxqvISsFEHlAIdLXKOisNfG
09:37:00 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> very old school
09:37:36 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> animated gif advertising
09:37:49 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ill test random swaps over the next 3 days. if successful ill return the funds
09:37:50 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 884MftKiUYXfthz6zdGA9Y2vmjutee8ziLyArs4HX8qUAuS2RFgQSZcS5w1H6W7de9ETy5nr5u4Ldhwd2NVCabiHM936wZ9
09:41:00 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> minimum $10k for any trade
09:41:01 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> bruh
09:41:30 <m-relay_> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 999xmr is min bet
09:42:06 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Probably fbimerican
09:42:45 <m-relay_> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Looks like 90s logos
09:42:49 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "send me an aml and sanction violation please"
09:43:07 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> it is
09:43:25 <m-relay_> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Approved
09:46:22 <m-relay_> <3​21bob321:monero.social> To prove this, please show me your 5110
09:46:55 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> ?
09:47:03 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> code words
09:48:06 <m-relay_> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Fake 90s person
09:49:42 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> Are you serious?)
09:50:02 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes
09:50:13 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not willing to test with my own funds
09:52:33 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> 1. Lower the minimum volume
09:52:34 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> 2. Specify where exactly the figure of 9.5 mil comes from
09:52:36 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> 3. Drop a test amount for exchange
09:52:38 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> Did I miss anything? I'll ask the team these questions and get back to you with an answer.
09:53:14 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sounds good
09:53:55 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But start with #3. I'd like to see if these 10k swaps ever worked in the first place
09:54:03 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> ok , i will return asap
11:36:56 <m-relay_> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> oh boy do i have news for you: serai.exchange
11:38:33 <m-relay_> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> me too, ill list it on monero.town sidebar for $50k in XMR
11:42:45 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> it doesn't work
11:43:06 <m-relay_> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> well yeah, its not live yet
11:43:14 <m-relay_> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> but when its live, it will be great
11:44:51 <m-relay_> <g​oexme:matrix.org> yes, when it will launch?
11:45:36 <m-relay_> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> id say some time within the next 12 months
16:34:21 <m-relay_> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Will this issue ever have logs? An actual, up-to-date agenda, date of next meeting? https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1049
16:35:00 <m-relay_> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Seemingly escape and I have been struggling to figure out when next one will be, for our newsletters...
16:35:08 <m-relay_> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lol, issue reads August 11, it's September 5.
16:58:57 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its not sept 5
16:59:11 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its sept 14th
16:59:31 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> That meeting was for sept 18th
16:59:42 <m-relay_> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> That meeting was for aug 18th
19:31:12 <m-relay_> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ask website ceo
19:42:17 <m-relay_> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> should we add local groups to hangouts? Monero Portugal, Brasil, Turkey etc.
19:42:34 <m-relay_> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> filter because some local are full of cheese pizza
19:42:41 <m-relay_> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Australia iirc
19:42:48 <m-relay_> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or Austria maybe
19:47:15 <m-relay_> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Good for doxxing
19:48:02 <m-relay_> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> doxx what?
19:48:52 <m-relay_> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I did create meetup.events for people to post meetups etc
19:50:41 <m-relay_> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> anon don't go outside, sun hurts
19:53:03 <m-relay_> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Wear morp suit
20:15:33 <m-relay_> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2259
20:19:45 <m-relay_> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> do you have link?
20:19:54 <m-relay_> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro no
20:20:24 <m-relay_> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> jk. I don't have, just someone made alerted on this room last week
20:20:30 <m-relay_> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I've never visited the channel
20:21:01 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> 📷4k
20:21:18 <m-relay_> <b​asses:matrix.org> redeem all of your XMR
22:39:04 <m-relay_> <3​21bob321:monero.social> By sending me 999xmr