00:00:33 (dont quote me, i have an existing install and its disabled. I havent checked a clean install recently) 00:01:34 cant you disable on cake too? 00:09:02 yes, but its not obvious _and_ the feature is useless, so its even less obvious 00:09:58 (Cake is enabled by default) 00:10:52 Stack, for example, asks a user very obviously "regular user or incognito mode" 00:10:52 incog disables all third party services 00:12:58 https://docs.featherwallet.org/guides/websocket 00:12:58 >By default, Feather connects to the websocket server over Tor, unless configured otherwise in the proxy settings. This way your IP Address is not leaked to the websocket server. 00:13:22 Thanks rando 00:32:47 hardenedsteel 00:32:48 ``` 00:32:50 First, you will need to find a node to connect to. It's important to node that there are publicly advertised remote nodes which are run by malicious actors with the sole purpose of deanonymizing 00:32:52 ``` 00:33:14 @hardenedsteel:monero.social 00:33:14 First, you will need to find a node to connect to. It's important to node that there are publicly advertised remote nodes which are run by malicious actors with the sole purpose of deanonymizing user. 00:33:28 @hardenedsteel:monero.social 00:33:28 ``` 00:33:30 First, you will need to find a node to connect to. It's important to node that there are publicly advertised remote nodes which are run by malicious actors with the sole purpose of deanonymizing user. 00:33:32 ``` 00:34:49 It's important to note* that 00:34:50 yes that would be much effective to discourage people 00:35:10 working on the screenshots 05:12:55 so what time is the meeting tmrw? 05:15:54 Are we in August 11th all over again? 05:16:12 Who am I and where's my dog? 06:29:59 <321bob321:monero.social> 4:20 13:58:56

Remember when core paid diego 7500usd/mth from generalfund, didnt tell anybody, and even used other ppls (ccs) monero to make the payments, then blamed diego? <--- we did not "used other ppls (ccs) monero to make the payments". We did not blame diego for this either, refer to my public posts at the time. 14:03:38

or remember when they put out yearly transparency reports after that? (i kid. Its been 1.5yrs since the last one) <--- Remember when people were polite, supportive and cooperative, allowing for most often happy collaborations around the open-source project? My last report was March 2023 and the one before June 2021. If I'm not mistaken that's >1.5yr, so I'm not sure why you feel the need for that bs sarcasm. 14:06:21 I hesitated to answer as your posts often seem to do nothing but sow drama and I usually don't feed this. I hate that false facts are there for anyone to read though, especially when they pertain to my efforts and contributions. 14:06:47 Ccs wallet was used to pay him 14:06:48 It was reimbursed by generalfund 14:08:00 And initially reports were promised to be (i dont recall) but greater than yearly (quarterly?) 14:08:33 which "false facts"? 14:09:29 This is false, I was literally making these payments from the GF. I never had access to the CCS wallet. 14:09:47 I don't know why any of this matter and need to be discussed now 14:09:54 on occasion, ccs was was used to make payments = true 14:09:54 generalfund repaid ccs in those situations 14:10:21 Well either i was dreaming or i read a false report from you or diego 14:11:16 I never claimed that you had access to ccs wallet, or that you made payments to diego from the ccs wallet 14:11:38 There's a bit of a misunderstanding here. Luigi had a sort of interstitial "hot wallet" that was neither the CCS wallet nor the GF wallet. 14:11:54 The report said "ccs wallet" 14:12:10 This wallet would be "topped up" by pony with funds from the CCS Wallet to pay out proposals 14:12:14 As for the transparency reports, I came up with the initiative on my own when I took on the GF responsibility. They didn't exist before. And I never promised quarterly ones. 14:12:15 And the interstitial wallet was ccs funds, was it not? 14:12:22 Thank you 14:12:47 There was a time or two (before BF to control of GF, bf was very punctual) where Luigi paid me out of there if fluffy couldn't pay in a timely manner. 14:12:58 GF then sent equivalent funds when fluffy became available. 14:13:00 thank you again, diego 14:13:31 This is my understanding of the situation. 14:13:42 luigi1111 would have to confirm the finer details 14:15:03 and werent trans reports as a result of the drama? 14:16:18 Believe it or not it was not. I came up with the first one without the need for any drama from anyone. https://web.getmonero.org/2020/06/30/gf-transparency-report.html 14:17:54 > we have decided that our first report will cover the periods of 2019-2020, with subsequent reports coming out every half-year. 14:19:07 thanks, that's already a slightly more palatable way to nudge me 14:22:06 "When it was revealed in 2019 that this arrangement had been going on for two and a half years, many people in the community felt that their trust had been betrayed and I shared their feelings. Our rainy-day fund had been severely depleted. I have not felt comfortable donating to the General Fund since. We asked for details about Diego’s role and the work he was performing for 14:22:08 you but did not receive a satisfactory response. Diego put out a transparency report, which was not received warmly. He had also committed to putting out a monthly report about the work he was doing. No such reports followed." 14:23:26 I personally dont give a damn about the reports. Theyre all trust-me-bro anyway 14:24:23 The quoted statement predates your (bf's) report "before" the drama 14:24:58 Rather i mean to say, the drama was before the reports* 14:25:27 Cant call ofrn a liar 14:25:42 I have no reason to spread falsehoods 14:28:51 Its possible that i'm wrong / misinformed / poor memory, but i take no pleasure in speaking opinions. If i said "paid out of ccs", then it is because the available facts lead to the conclusion that the wallet only contained ccs funds before being reimbursed by gf 14:29:56 PSA: Meething in @room at 6pm UTC. Agenda: Discussing Diego's redesign + more. 14:30:36 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Who the fuck is diego 14:30:42 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> oh 14:30:43 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> redesign 14:30:44 * m-relay_ <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> read that as resign 14:30:55 lol 14:31:03 Is that to say "good" or "bad"? No. Its just a statement that is based on facts. 14:31:04 as diego said, you werent in control of gf at the time, so not why you took that statement as a jab towards you. If anything, it would be directed at luigi and fluffy 14:31:09 what 14:31:12 another core drama? 14:31:14 Not sure* why 14:31:41 in 3.5 h? 14:31:43 No 14:31:54 Bf responding to msgs from the other day 14:32:06 I call that drama 14:32:41 Its "ofrn's a liar" drama today 14:33:11 and "ofrn's a bad actor, spreading untrue info to sew discord" or some bs 14:34:20 No, ofrn getting called out for speaking half truths and being an ass all the time part MMXXV. 14:34:21 yeah 14:34:44 let's stay on topic for this channel at least 14:34:45 Mb, wen r u gonna tell me "offtopic" 14:34:56 Jinx 14:35:25 For me ofrnxmr sticks at the words he is saying. And got high respect now for him what he is doing for XMR and BSX. 14:36:04 The issue... 14:36:08 Not this room... 14:36:27 (I’m one of the BSX devs) and think this is the wrong channel :p but was just reading up here. 14:40:56 Issue still reads August 11, no logs. Smh. 14:43:09 On topic, binaryfate, please check dm about dns / cloudflare 14:43:34 Sent dm a few hrs ago 14:46:28 it's done. Give it time for dns to propagate. 14:46:42 thank you 17:26:32 ofrn I wrote that in June of 2021, a year after the report. we only found out fluffy had hired diego once bF took responsibility of the GF, so yes you're spreading falsehoods and antagonizing contributors for no reason 17:38:47 Meeting in an hour and twenty min, wee! 17:52:27 actually 8 minutes but we can postpone if that is wanted 17:54:44 Oh wait wut 17:54:53 Nvm ignore me then. I can be here for either. 17:58:45 > ofrn I wrote that in June of 2021, a year after the report. we only found out fluffy had hired diego once bF took responsibility of the GF, so yes you're spreading falsehoods and antagonizing contributors for no reason 17:58:46 you said 2019 17:59:26 which was when bF took over ... 17:59:58 anyway, meeting time 18:00:12 Alright welcome everybody for Monero Website Meeting #3 18:02:02 @room 18:02:06 @room. 18:02:36 Greets 18:03:00 Hi 18:03:58 Thank you diego for posting your design, it looks great! 18:04:20 hola 18:05:19 Thanks. 18:05:35 Happy to discuss it with people in-depth if you all would like. 18:05:43 I've received some feedback over the past few days already. 18:06:51 Sure, not many people here today and this is really our only topic. 18:07:27 I see vostoemisio here 18:07:37 Haven't got your opinions yet? 18:07:49 I've seen people mention there should also be lightmode and personally I find the orange circles a bit jarring but that's about it. 18:08:16 Were almost rdy to migrate rpc docs from www. to docs. 18:08:16 future prs for rpc updates should, preferrably, go to docs repo 18:08:41 I guess can we start with what problem(s) the redesign is trying to address? or are we just changing the window dressing 18:08:57 Of the current, live site? 18:09:14 yes 18:09:21 yes 18:09:26 Or the proposed hammermann design 18:09:35 Both 18:09:37 Alright well 18:09:48 haven’t seen the hammermann one. Anyone got a link? 18:10:20 (im "yes"ing re rpc docs. Maybe geo and diego are telling about smthn diff) 18:10:47 The constant feedback of the current design is that it's juvenile, bloated, and doesn't give the impression of a serious money contender. 18:11:02 https://getmonero-unofficial-beta.vercel.app/ 18:11:19 Geonic ^ hammerman's design 18:11:25 tx 18:12:28 for the record, my feedback on diego's was: 18:12:28 My feedback isnt anything too crazy, but to sum up: 18:12:30 1. Really dont like top section 18:12:32 2. Really dont like red 18:12:34 3. Really dont like _strong_ gradients. Maybe wouldn't mind if they were softer (and not red) 18:12:36 4. Dont like order of information presented / prefer the get started section at the top 18:12:38 5. Dont like wording for exchanges (probably not final anyway) 18:12:40 6. (new) dont like the circle buttons 18:12:42 I think my design is a good answer to those issues so far. 18:12:50 is there a mobile version of diego’s proposal available anywhere? 18:13:30 file monero-homepage-demo.png too big to download (2596723 > allowed size: 1000000) 18:13:32 monero-homepage-demo.png 18:13:34 Not yet, no. This was just completed a few days ago. 18:13:45 ofrn: and what do you dislike about the current (live site) design? 18:14:10 And wanted to share it to get feedback on the direction before we made a mobile version. Cuz if the community hated it it would have been wasted time. 18:15:45 The current design: 18:15:46 1. its a mess (info is terrible, translation strings are terrible, random pages all over the place) 18:15:48 2. Doesnt have an available dark mode 18:16:11 tbh I’ve only seen people complaining that there’s no dark mode available but maybe I’ve missed some comments 18:16:41 The two I've heard the most is dark mode and juvenile. 18:17:12 Idk about juvenile. I think it looks fine from a professional standpoint 18:17:19 Who said juvenile? 18:17:42 maybe it’s the animation thumbnails, but I like those 18:17:57 I think the biggest problem is the information overload, and that its poor quality info. Also translation strings are a total mess for contributors 18:19:15 I think that combined with the simple, flat artstyle of the graphics 18:21:08 the graphics could certainly use an update 18:21:28 Diego Salazar u said you are going to do some edits to the redesign concept before this meething, right? 18:21:37 you were* 18:22:03 Well, I was and then rotten put out the design in the revo and more feedback came in. 18:22:24 In the meantime we've been working on other, more non-controversial pages, like FAQ 18:22:44 btw hammermann’s is a decent take on a dark mode site but I think we can do better 18:22:52 The most important pages that everyone will have an opinion on is the home page, downloads, and a couple of others. 18:23:15 Geonic, did you see the picture i posted 18:23:29 no, didn’t transfer to irc 18:23:36 yes 18:23:48 My opinion is on the hero, the red, the gradient etc 18:23:56 Which i assume span the whole website 18:24:17 are there going to be any CSS animations on the website? 18:24:23 My primary issue with hammermann's design is bad information architecture and generic graphics / style. 18:25:18 Oh and bad top-level hierarchy, but that could be easily fixed 18:25:44 Download “monero-homepage-demo_20240908182451.png” with Send: simple, safe file sharing https://send.vis.ee/download/7686e0bff596e58a/#1s9xwnixOXSVbbdnq2piNA 18:25:44 geonic 18:26:16 Oh yeah I’ve seen Diego’s 18:26:31 👍 18:26:36 tx 18:26:46 Ofrn he was asking not for a way to view on mobile, but if I had made the design for how it looks on mobile screens. 18:27:06 Is my understanding. Which I have not. 18:27:07 . 18:27:12 yes 18:27:28 I wasn't planning on it, but I don't see why there couldn't be? 18:27:42 I know, but i sent the image earlier and he said it didnt come through, so i was sending again 18:27:52 Ah ok 18:27:57 I guess my issue with the current proposal is that it throws us in a new direction without being bold enough to stand out from other generic coin websites 18:28:18 for example, Kraken's redesign from a few years ago when they introduced purple 18:28:46 that became their color and we recognize it immediately now (at least in the context of crypto) 18:28:58 Sir we have introduced circle buttons. 18:29:25 Can't get bolder than that ;) 18:30:11 I'd be very interested to see what a refreshed version of the current design would look like. newer graphics, maybe a different font, etc. + dark mode 18:30:14 From this point we have a couple of options: 18:30:14 The color of monero is orange, and the website is like, red, thats my #1 problem 🙃 (aside from the hero) 18:30:20 1. Abandon idea for new site 18:30:26 2. I continue on my design 18:30:37 I dont like firo's hero either. Takes like 10 page scrolls to find any useful info 18:30:39 3. I try again from scratch 18:30:47 4. I don't try again. Someone else tries? 18:31:14 we're paying you anyway so why not try again, right? :p 18:31:28 I can do other things with the time. 18:31:55 But maybe you prefer indeed all my hours be put here and not elsewhere in the community to limit my influence. 18:32:07 lol 18:32:17 no, that was just the main deliverable in your proposal afair 18:32:38 Ye 18:33:02 I, for one, like the design and want to continue forward with it. 18:33:24 I think any of the 3 designs are fine, just drop the red, hero, circle buttons, and most importantly the info and presentations / hierarchy of it, also have dark + light modes 18:33:25 I'd reduce the gradients, orangify things, and continue with that. 18:34:18 can we talk about light mode for a second 18:34:25 I wouldn't drop the hero or the circle buttons for the time being. After delivery, everything will be released openly and people are free to make those changes and submit them for consideration. 18:34:29 Sure. 18:34:50 Hammermans design works if the info structure is fixed, current design works if we have a dark mode and better info, 18:34:50 diego's works if it drops the hero, circles, fixes colors etc. 18:34:59 My 2.5 cents^ 18:35:21 of those three options, I'd go with "current design works if we have a dark mode and better info" 18:35:22 pretty much 18:35:50 personally, i really like the current design so ill agree with that 18:36:23 imo light mode should stay the default for reasons discussed before 18:36:34 Will check within a few days, been swamped 18:36:48 Sounds good. 18:36:56 Gutting and rebuilding current design might me the hardest of the options, (largely due to the translation setup) 18:37:22 It also keeps us committed to jekyll, which isn't currently maintained as a project. 18:37:38