00:36:40 why Mailing List doesn't have external link besides it? like Stack Exchange, BitcoinTalk etc 00:36:43 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/TtCKMJVjSZvLBctfiVIbljVg 00:46:49 <3​21bob321:monero.social> So it can track your clicks 05:54:56 cuz its not external? 18:17:16 As a warm up for tonight's meeting, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ieq5sNEoc1E&ab_channel=AnswerinProgress 18:21:40 so we are going to get rid of the orange brand? 18:21:41 https://bounties.monero.social/posts/153/0-502m-create-redesign-for-getmonero-org-and-monero-logo-in-swiss-flag-inspired-color-branding 18:30:25 This is a bounty, that nobody tried to get as of now. 18:33:01 Even if they do, theres no reason why we have to accept it 18:37:38 meeting in 30 minutes 18:37:44 meeting in 20 minutes 19:00:36 iirelevant 19:00:57 meeting in 0 minutes 19:02:40 🔔🔔🔔 19:03:09 meeting in -3 minutes 19:04:03 alright... 19:04:04 1. Greetings 19:04:18 hello 19:05:30 hello 19:05:34 Hi 19:06:14 Is there an agenda? 19:07:31 https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1073 19:08:08 Ok, we are 3 19:08:10 ? 19:09:55 Ok, I have something to say 19:09:57 hi 19:09:59 what is even that agenda, very vague 19:10:03 apologies for my tardiness 19:10:11 I can run the meeting, if monerobull isn't here 19:10:14 Hey! 19:10:15 yay 4 19:10:36 go ahead diego as I'm afk 19:10:41 Janaka, you said you had something to say. Go for it. 19:10:49 Ok 19:10:55 After months of contemplating how a new Monero website should look, it became clear to me that it should be in light mode. Dark mode, while visually appealing, doesn’t convey the level of professionalism required. Light mode is the way forward. 19:10:57 Also, I would not support both; as maintaining both options is too much work for too little benefit. 19:10:59 A few months ago, I began working on the Hammerman design because I was impressed by the overall design and wanted to contribute to the community, so I went ahead and implemented the design. 19:11:01 However, I’ve since changed my mind. I initially got excited about dark mode, but now I don't think this design should represent the official Monero website. Dark mode is a trap. 19:11:03 While we heard some voices in favor of dark mode, I think going light-mode only is aligned with a good portion of the community, as shown by this Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1felb8e/the_future_of_getmoneroorg_looking_for_feedback/ 19:11:05 Going forward, I believe we should commission one or more designers to create a light mode theme that is sober, clean, and professional—similar to the current design. Once that's in place, we can carefully curate the content for the website. 19:11:07 Only after that should we consider the technical implementation, which is a separate matter entirely. 19:12:24 Understood. Thank you Janaka 19:12:33 does anyone in attendance have thoughts or comments on that? 19:13:16 it's clear from the community feedback we've received that light mode is preferred 19:14:02 Another point of the community feedback that is largely consistent is that a redesign isn't needed at all. 19:14:09 and since we already have light mode, this leads us to a more fundamental question -- what is this redesign hoping to achieve? 19:14:10 yes 19:15:08 I can provide an answer to this question, although I'm not necessarily 100% gung ho on the answers I'd be giving. 19:15:28 I say support both dark and light theme 19:15:31 I think one of the primary ones is moving to a new, modern framework would be beneficial. It would make things like translations and other stuff easier. 19:15:55 And if we moved for the sake of framework, I think a lot of people thought it'd be a shame to not use the opportunity for a refresh. 19:16:25 hello, sorry for being late to the meeting i announced myself 19:16:37 we've got a bunch of feedback on both reddit and monero.town 19:16:58 https://monero.town/post/4289749?scrollToComments=true 19:17:18 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1felb8e/the_future_of_getmoneroorg_looking_for_feedback/ 19:18:55 👋 19:19:14 In my opnion, the main benefit is to renew the tech stack. We can have a new design, but nothing fancy, light mode only. The tech stack should allow easy contribution and translation. 19:19:23 Right, both of these links have people that are saying a refresh is probably not necessary. 19:19:31 the three top comments on reddit are "keep it the same" 19:19:32 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/RmwnpwMbueNpERRfwQLzvcOp 19:19:36 Keep in mind, the same was said when I first redesigned the site by a ton of people. 19:19:40 With the design before mine 19:19:53 About the design before mine 19:20:31 Janaka what are your thoughts of remaking the current site with the new tech stack? 19:20:41 obviously we use the opportunity to update content and images 19:20:53 but keep the general look and feel, the blocks, fonts, etc. 19:21:54 Jekyll is a problem, which is why we were looking at hugo iirc 19:22:10 Yes we can keep the design as is also. Just that it's nice to change a little sometimes 19:22:31 it is a static site, how bad can it really be? 19:22:49 Jekyll is EOL or smthn 19:23:02 it's still static 19:23:10 this isn't wordpress 19:23:31 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2140 19:24:06 ``` 19:24:07 there is a problem that we have to deal with: jekyll-multiple-languages-plugin which we are using to make the website multilingual has been in maintainance mode for years. It was always a bit of a problem, but now things are getting worse, as incompatibilities are starting to pop up which force us to lock some specific versions in the dependencies. 19:24:09 This is a problem that will only get worse and that could only be solved by somebody taking over the plugin and maintain it again. This hasn't happened yet and i feel it won't ever happen. The result could be that we will find ourselves unable to update to newer Jekyll versions or we could find ourselves stuck in a dependency hell. 19:24:11 ``` 19:25:19 we can also just remove moneropedia 19:25:32 Brand new videos are being made which can replace the old ones 19:25:55 there's like ten actual illustrations on the site. All of them can be replaced. We can ask andres to do them all for a consistent feel 19:26:08 We can use Hugo if you want but personally, I am much more familiar with Typescript than Go. 19:26:09 Someone else can implement the website though. 19:26:15 The old illustrations were made by me to match the video at the bottom of this page? 19:26:17 https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/what-is-monero/ 19:26:33 Im not suggesting hugo 19:26:35 i fixed the jekyll language thing.. and some other small bugs preventing update to the latest ruby but uhm yeah some issues remain with po4a .. small bug in how we have key lists in our file ... what im saying is the current tech stack is fragile 19:26:44 i'm making note of jekyll issue 19:27:08 that plugin is abandonware* i merely made it run 19:27:47 If we all agree that we should keep it light mode, more or less as it is now, we are making a big step forward 19:28:23 I'm fine with all of that, sure. 19:28:34 its here, i have repressed the memories https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2237 19:29:04 Thoughts on asking Andres to do the illustrations? 19:29:26 I have nothing against it 19:29:40 not a 1-to-1 replacement of current images. First step would be to do adjustments on content. 19:29:47 After that's done we can decide what images are needed and can ask him 19:30:08 I ask because his style is unique and identifiable. And some people may want things a little simpler 19:30:16 removing moneropedia is more realistic now that there is a docs workgroup 19:30:24 if we are going to add new vids from vost, then dark theme makes sense 🤷 19:30:25 For those who don't know he did all the imagery for tailsOS 19:30:27 https://tails.net/ 19:30:51 and he's also the creator of the iconic Monero bricks community image at the bottom of the homepage 19:31:11 in vostos latest ccs , light and dark mode themed would be produced if funded https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/VOSTOEMISIO-FCMP-Animated-Explainer.html 19:31:13 we're ready to redirect rpc docs now 19:31:26 id bet money this is the same person that did the ringsig image 19:31:34 Tails is light mode only btw... 19:32:03 as is tor 19:32:04 https://www.torproject.org/ 19:32:05 I mean, they got it. 19:32:12 Or Bitcoin 19:32:16 Lot things 19:32:23 I've always been partial to light mode myself, yeah. Hence current live design. 19:32:25 Lot of things 19:34:01 and, if I may be blunt, since this meeting was broadcast ahead of time, by quite a ways. I'm inclined to care more about the opinions that are here 19:34:17 great to see a change of heart and a sudden embrace of light mode 19:34:42 ofrnxmr: where is that quote from? 19:34:46 u are sitting at night with lights off, you open your fav light only theme website, flashbanged 19:35:03 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/jdEIfkvHaygZnxqnWxGjAdxm 19:35:30 rando: Just don't watch screen at night 19:35:38 rando: Just don't watch screens at night 19:35:47 Geonic - from the github i linked 19:35:50 I'm talking practically 19:35:55 Or turn on the light 19:36:09 I think if some people want to make dark mode for the site on the new framework, they should be able to do so, obviously. It's a community project, after all. 19:36:14 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2140 geonic 19:36:26 ah tx 19:36:27 Janaka is just not going to add or upkeep it 19:36:57 yes, obviously there are also people that want dark theme, so why not support both? 19:37:04 give people the option to choose what they want? 19:37:09 And having both will be much easier on a new framework 19:37:13 Yes, I think that sometimes users are wrong 19:37:23 including you 19:37:35 this is a community project 19:37:37 Yes yes haha It happens 19:37:41 It takes 0.1sec for my browser to do it. 0.1 sec for docs.getmonero.org 19:37:54 stop flexing docs for a min lol 19:37:56 well, janaka I can understand you saying you will not implement or upkeep it. But if you're saying it shouldn't be added by anyone else, I would disagree strongly. 19:37:59 Docs has light + dark + autodetect 19:38:07 white mode as default, I agree btw 19:38:15 agreed 19:38:30 No 19:39:03 Docs is an extension of site and should flow nicely 19:39:26 Shouldnt get flashbanged when clicking through 19:39:29 But, my opinion today is that light mode only is better for maintainability. Supporting dual theme without JS means compiling for both, and generating different urls, it's a mess 19:39:59 Lot of work for very little benefit 19:40:06 then perhaps we make light mode only available to those with JS turned on? 19:40:27 The site "degrades" nicely without JS in that literally all content is still available, just only in light mode :P 19:40:46 if we do darkmode by default that isnt great 19:40:48 there is a simple way of changing style sheets of course (in use circa 1999) 19:40:57 this is mostly psychology 19:41:06 YES 19:41:14 darkmode by default we might as well get sponsorships by DNMs 19:41:33 tbh we’re lacking translations not because of a technical hurdle but because of an incoherent policy where we paid a “translations coordinator” instead of the people doing the work (QA issues aside) 19:41:45 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-color-scheme 19:41:47 We are sponsored by majestic and were sponsored by forked. 19:41:58 " tbh we’re lacking translations not because of a technical hurdle but because of an incoherent policy where we paid a “translations coordinator” instead of the people doing the work (QA issues aside)" 19:41:59 wrong.. 19:42:01 and monerokon by exch 19:42:03 so what 19:42:10 getmonero.org is still looking friendly :D 19:42:33 literally exists 19:42:48 bruh 19:42:51 It's a trap to think Monero == privacy == darknet == dark mode 19:42:51 No! Any serious projects use light mode only. 19:42:53 Dark mode is suited for specific apps, or ICO websites, but not for serious projects 19:43:10 Generalfubd has thousands of neros deposited by unknown whale. Pretty sure were sponsored why who knows 19:43:17 By* who knows 19:43:20 duckduckgo supports dark theme 19:43:26 agreed 19:43:28 are you suggesting wownero isnt a serious project because it has a darkish theme site https://wownero.org/ 19:43:31 darkmode is to raise VC funding 19:43:35 actually it is a trend for privacy products to support dark theme 19:43:56 rando: Ok but also take into considerence the maintenance cost. It is not worth it 19:44:15 rando: Ok but also take into consideration the maintenance cost. It is not worth it 19:44:17 how so? enlighten me 19:44:25 https://www.expressvpn.com/ 19:44:27 Guys, this is all a bit silly. Having an non-default OPTION for dark mode doesn't make Monero look like a less serious project. It makes it look like a more accessible one. 19:44:29 Even repo.getmonero.org has dark theme 19:44:32 does this look like a shady site to you? 19:44:33 "Dark mode" doesn't have to mean OLED black and hacker green text 19:44:35 We even have qr codes in dark and light. 19:44:46 doesn't load without JS, not a serious project 19:45:00 I thought we agreed to use the hacker/matrix scrolling txt? 19:45:53 It seems pretty obvious to me that what should happen going forward is that Janaka will remake the current site (with content changes) in a new framework. Janaka will be doing light mode only. After the site is done, people that are NOT Janaka can utilize their skills to give the website a dark theme as well. 19:45:55 Scroll down. It loads the footer 💯💯 19:45:57 How about a dark theme that isn't black, but dark gray like https://www.ivpn.net/en/ 19:46:11 like guys cmon lmao, you are making supporting dark theme a crime, ignoring all accessibility and user's choice 19:46:20 We don't want two themes because it is not necessary. 19:46:35 who’s we lol 19:46:38 perfecto 19:46:46 no offense but what a bad website. wall of text with "hacker" font 19:46:54 I think it should definitely be an option, but not the default 19:46:55 Repo.getmonero and docs.getmonero 19:47:04 i like the expressvpn one a lot more 19:47:11 Penpot.getmonero.org is also not "light" 19:47:13 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ban 19:47:18 I'm only talking about the color, not design 19:47:19 says the guy that like cypherpunk theme websites 19:47:35 i like retrowave neon stuff 19:47:53 avax website: terrible 19:47:56 actually depressing 19:48:04 everyone have their taste 19:48:31 but we are talking about accessbility here 19:48:33 It has a dev/design cost. And we lose the brand. 19:48:35 A website is not an app. 19:48:37 An application can have dual mode. 19:48:39 A website needs an identity, and just one. 19:48:41 We're starting to derail a bit here. 19:49:11 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Still no consensus after 3 meetings …lol 19:49:15 so google lost their brand for supporting dark them for most if not all their services? 19:49:33 github has dark theme 19:49:34 Agreed. Most people are perfectly happy with the design. If the translations are the reason we’re considering switching platforms let’s talk about that. 19:49:37 I give up lol 19:49:39 But this is more like apps 19:49:51 How about a vote to settle it 19:49:53 This is 4, iirc 19:50:10 it'd be funny if it wasn't so frustrating :P 19:50:15 Well, anyone who disagree with me. It's fine, but take the time to really think about it please. 19:50:19 vscode, literally all 90% of programmers use, because it helps programmers not going blind by staring at sun looking screen 12h avg 19:50:26 no need to vote on something when community consensus is pretty clear 19:50:40 geonic what's your take on what the consensus is? 19:50:46 Github, google, bing, ddg, repo.getmonero, docs.getmonero, penpot.getmonero, all have dark choice 19:50:53 unless we’re somehow more special than the masses 19:51:06 no one is maintaining Weblate, another problem for another dimension 19:51:13 that people like the current design. don’t fix what’s not broken, etc 19:51:19 and devices like phones even _auto switch_ depending on time of day 19:51:20 Yes, those are APPLICATIONS 19:51:21 (asking about the dark thing btw) 19:51:23 NOT WEBSITES 19:51:33 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Is this about having a dark theme 19:51:35 Those are websites bro 19:51:51 Github.com is a website and an app (both have dark theme) 19:52:17 alright everyone. The dark theme is a bit of a moot point at the moment anyways. Once again, it can be added rather easily, after the fact, since we'd be on a new, more modern framework. 19:52:22 nah war lol 19:52:28 I mean, github.com is more an app than a website 19:52:43 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Is this not a small thing to argue about. Dark and light mode welcome to the 21st century 19:52:45 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/gXlnVGROZbrTikfEKWNKrrKx 19:52:59 wikis are apps now? 19:53:07 What is clear from this meeting (to me) is the following: 19:53:09 1. Keep current design 19:53:11 2. Update to new framework 19:53:13 3. Tweak existing content, illustrations, and replace videos 19:53:15 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I will send pagers! 19:53:17 because wikipedia started supproting dark theme recently, also arch linux wiki 19:53:27 Update content and strings 19:53:34 2. was never discussed in any detail 19:53:34 4. Janaka can do the above, but will only be doing light theme 19:53:51 can we talk about the actual website for real now? 19:54:04 diego making up action items again 19:54:10 Wait, I arrived a bit late. There's still going to have a redesign, right? Just a light default theme instead of dark as proposed? 19:54:17 <3​21bob321:monero.social> To me janka has the only demo site currently 19:54:38 how many videos will be replaced, all? 19:54:46 Community seems to be against it 19:54:48 wait, geonic, but you just said that the consensus as you saw it was that a new design wasn't needed? 19:54:51 Ah whaaat I was excited for a redesign. 19:55:02 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Can diego convert his design into demo site? 19:55:13 right. no discussion has been had on the framework though 19:55:28 geonic, we have discussed the framework for many, many meetings 19:55:46 astro for same design revamp? 19:55:47 and if you can please disagree with me in a way that is not the most obnoxious possible, that would be appreciated 19:55:56 are we back to “consensus was already achieved” lol 19:56:04 We will refresh the tech stack, fix translation, light mode only, stop crying it's ok, make Monero great again!! 19:56:09 and they gave bad reasonings, dark = bad = crime. Worst conclusion 19:56:26 Racists 19:56:30 framework is not even on the agenda for today 19:56:36 We should make it bright pink 19:56:45 Like cake wallet 19:56:47 did we decide Hugo is best because ErC said so? 19:56:48 it's not just me that seems to think so geonic? janaka and ofrn seem to think so too?> 19:56:53 No the main criticism was if it ain't broke don't fix it 19:56:57 yeah this not kindergarden 19:57:13 Janaka is looking for a job so he’s not exactly unbiased here 19:57:15 no geonic. We would be using Astro. Once again, previous meetings. 19:57:21 Geonic - no, i just pointed out that jekyll was not a good option 19:57:24 <3​21bob321:monero.social> You know sometimes a dictator is good. Shit gets done….. 19:57:39 it is actually broken, they are just seeing the surface 19:57:43 I don't know anyone who actually works on the site who really wants to see Jekyll stay? 19:57:58 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof 19:58:02 No 19:58:07 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Anything but rust 19:58:15 I mean, i think were all ok with dumping jekyll 19:58:24 someone else must take the reins there sir 19:58:39 no, no. geonic wasn't there for the many conversations where it happened, so it doesn't count 19:58:42 I will if you don't 19:58:46 and any attempt to point back to those conversations is railroading 19:58:49 no 19:58:51 <3​21bob321:monero.social> But i dont get paid to whip people 19:59:00 There’s only one comment on ErC’s github issue about the framework. This was never the long-standing issue you’re making it out to be 19:59:01 I can't or geonic will bitch, so please do 19:59:13 agenda is vague, and technically doesn't exist 19:59:15 I get that you’re looking for something to do tho 19:59:16 we have had IRC meetings 19:59:24 ok guys we are coming up on the one hour mark 19:59:38 Well then i say light and dark, implement diego's design with some tweaks and keep old site around at old.getmonero.org 19:59:43 +1 19:59:46 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I have a homelab there is always something else to do. 19:59:50 i think we can all agree that a default light + optional dark mode is the goal 19:59:58 +1 with rando and dan 20:00:03 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Consensus meet 20:00:21 So ok, Diego Salazar you can work on a light mode design close to the current one, just make it even better. Then we will talk about implementation 20:00:23 untraceable 20:00:25 uh wait. Sorry if I'm being an idiot. Are you talking about my most recent design that I put forth a couple weeks back?> 20:00:27 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Is this how pow works? 20:00:39 cuz if so, that one is out 20:00:47 Yes 20:00:49 early bird gets the 🪱 20:00:52 Out where 20:00:56 not it in hurry, just need to make sure at least we are one step forward or there is a progress 20:01:10 Once again, sorry for being a moron. But I'm so confused. Why would I do that? I thought the consensus here was that we stick close to the current, live design? lol 20:01:11 ofrn: community voted no on the proposed designs 20:01:16 i have worked with jekyll, i couldnt tell you what it is.. sometimes i use/see liquid scripting.. ruby is a PITA to set up a local dev environment.. as a contributor im not too worried about the backend getting in the way 20:01:31 a new backend getting in the way* 20:01:31 thanks plowsof 20:01:38 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I8n plowsof? 20:01:46 Reddit voted no with fake bot votes 20:01:54 And reddit blocks tor, as does monero,town 20:02:00 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Majestic? 20:02:04 I’m against paid contractors creating busywork for themselves without clearly articulated reasons 20:02:25 Hmm because It would be nice to have a Figma to implement it.. 20:02:27 if you want to change the backend, comment on the github issue that’s been open for a year 20:02:33 translations , even with a new fancy end still rely on >weblate< (the thing that we are unable to keep online or gets neglected and falls out of sync with whats on site) 20:02:36 anyway, for at least the homepage dark theme + new vids will look a bit like a redesign 20:02:45 dont act like a significant number of people were oppressed. reddit audience are the same exact normies that getmonero.org is supposed to reach 20:02:51 plowsof, and all new content 20:02:54 if we are not going to do any actual redesings and just switching frameworks 20:03:13 No like I'm happy to make a figma design of the current, live, design that we can edit with content changes 20:03:15 it doesnt need to target hardcore tor & monero users 20:03:17 repost on Dread? lol 20:03:19 More than significant. Youre biased cuz u block everybody on tor 20:03:21 basses: the new vids that are currently available are not up to standards. plus dark mode only. 20:03:24 the confusion came because it seemed they were asking me to make a light mode of my design I pitched a couple of weeks ago 20:03:25 Worse than reddit 20:03:28 <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/discussions/2372 20:03:29 Cant even view .town 20:03:31 yes i hate tor users with a burning passion /s 20:03:37 new content overwrites the current stuff, and we await for the team of translators to adjust.. review.. and push 💪 or things dont get updated 20:03:42 Clearly 20:03:54 Diego Salazar: Yes that's fine. 20:03:55 up to standard? 20:04:09 if you pay for the CDN ill take any ddos head on ofrn 20:04:12 i.e. they’re worse than the current ones 20:04:14 <3​21bob321:monero.social> We have standards?? 20:04:14 the current backend doesnt get in the way either* 20:04:19 alright. I'll work on that then. 20:04:25 just figure it out and forget the pain 20:04:30 I'll do it in PenPot also. 20:04:33 Who needs a cdn when 700tb is like 100$? 20:04:41 so it will be easy for people to tweak content stuff 20:04:48 do you think monero.town generates $100 20:04:55 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Kuno 20:05:03 And servers.guru offered to cover the bill 20:05:19 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sponsorship 20:05:24 monero town was flooded with resources totalling over 100kusd , ofcourse it generates more than $100 20:05:26 how hard is it to add dark mode in Jekyll? 20:05:46 adding dark mode would be a"change style" button 20:05:54 click , and the url remains the same 20:06:02 monerica was flooded with what would make it the second most popular website after google.com lol 20:06:03 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds clunky 20:06:05 do that then? 20:06:06 monerobull you can turn off CF captcha when there's no attacks 20:06:14 maybe janaka is talking about a more compreensive redeisng for dark/light? 20:06:20 Diego Salazar: I didn't review each piece of text carefully. But when I worked on the demo I noticed lot of content that I would like to change. But I don't have everything in mind now. 20:06:21 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Neva 20:06:23 rando but the attack is constant 20:06:33 Its not captcha, its straight up blocked 20:06:38 correct 20:06:46 known tor exit nodes are blocked 20:06:49 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ray id? 20:06:54 because that is where the ddos is coming from 20:06:55 call it bitcoin.town? 20:07:05 Ok. I can't summarize what consensus is here necessarily. But I will say my personal, current, action plan based off of what I take from this meeting. 20:07:28 thought Tor users like Monero 20:07:37 I will be making a Figma / PenPot file of the CURRENT, LIVE site. Really just a 1 to 1 recreation. 20:07:56 At which point, we as a community can play around with content and illustration changes. 20:08:08 in an easy and non-committal way 20:08:14 diego: that was my proposals to you at the last meeting 20:08:17 tx 20:08:26 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Only crimes use it 20:08:44 Diego Salazar: Yes perfect 20:08:48 and again, whoever wants to change the backend, please articulate your reasons on Github https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2140 20:08:55 so can someone summarize on what decesions were made so we wont discuss it again in the next meeting? 20:08:58 the general plan moving forward is that this site will be redone in Astro 20:09:00 Id like to see what your design prospect looks like in light mode 20:09:06 instead of Jekyll 20:09:12 it’s not a general plan Diego 20:09:18 it is geonic 20:09:20 cool it 20:09:26 no u 20:09:28 A nice Figma, properly organized, that the community can review. 20:09:33 Plowsof, thought on moving to astro? 20:09:33 decisions* 20:09:39 ok guys please leave now 20:09:56 ??? 20:09:58 monerobull: say “meeting adjourned” 20:10:02 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Meeting summary 20:10:04 . 20:10:19 Stop talking about implementation, we are not there yet 20:10:21 i say: " monerobull: say “meeting adjourned”" 20:10:28 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 1. Diego to convert to astro 20:10:29 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 2. Mbll hates tor 20:10:31 you literally don't just get to come in here after several meetings and say "no actually we're not doing that because I wasn't there and I said so" 20:10:41 but muh job security!! 20:10:57 bro I was right about light mode, wasn’t I 20:10:58 I'm not even the one implementing it. 20:11:00 what 20:11:07 again? 20:11:10 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Just need majority to be voted in 20:11:15 are we moving backwards? 20:11:17 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Not 100% 20:11:23 diego how long will if take u to do your redesign in light mode 20:11:26 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Neva 20:11:32 Some guys here are you just trolling right? 20:11:33 Sideways 20:11:35 <3​21bob321:monero.social> We are like emus 20:11:42 ofrn: he’s not doing his redesign in light mode 20:11:43 Im not 20:11:54 No not you 20:12:06 He's free to do whatever he wants ... 20:12:11 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Trolls are left under the bridge 20:12:13 I won't be using my CCS hours to do that redesign. I can see about doing it in my free time, or if someone else pays, sure. 20:12:26 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol 20:12:30 I am free to distribute slaps also 20:12:31 I asked how long, bcuz really, it might be 20mins for a quick and dirty recoloribg 20:12:41 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Not part of community? 20:12:47 yes. and he said he’s mocking up the current design in Figma to see what if anything needs to be refreshed 20:13:11 the two proposed designs are out 20:13:17 <3​21bob321:monero.social> On the bum? 20:13:36 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Based on? 20:13:44 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Real people? 20:13:51 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Or bots 20:14:01 redditooorrs 20:14:03 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/yHUXMmypQSCDzqXPgecxfWkK 20:14:05 looks clean 20:14:07 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Fck reddit 20:14:10 if nothing else, based on the fact that I am currently will not continue working on my design. And there's no other designers here :P 20:14:12 read the beginning of this meeting 20:14:18 was I too easily swayed? maybe. 20:14:28 IT LOOKS LIKE DIEGOS NEW DESIGN 20:14:30 but I am swayed nonetheless. 20:14:49 Except without the hero *wink* 20:15:07 just need new graphics because looks childish and outdated 20:15:14 Which is why i asked for new design in light mode. Bet it looks like the current one but modernized 20:15:22 anyways, I have my next steps, and we have a general plan for the future. 20:15:24 so I'm off 20:15:25 no offense 20:15:31 And diego needs to lose the circle buttons 20:16:07 a general plan based on finger on the pulse technology 20:16:08 Lose the circle buttons, lose the hero, and we have a modernized version if the current website 20:16:09 <3​21bob321:monero.social> How about if you dont attend meetings or post you opinion on the github stiff shit. 20:16:11 we can just make it rectangle instead 20:16:38 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/thrjzfXdqQOwqqZSvyUefsyV 20:16:52 alright, since I opened this meeting, might as well close it 20:16:57 meeting adjourned everyone 20:17:16 Its not over until diego sings 20:17:17 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Isnt mbll ceo here? 20:17:25 LA LA LA LA LA 20:17:35 I sang 20:17:44 no, they were both late (: 20:17:47 loool 20:17:49 <3​21bob321:monero.social> So summariez 20:17:58 <3​21bob321:monero.social> To there own jobz 20:18:01 Has to be "happy birthday" in your best marilyn monroe voice 20:18:21 Alright see you guys!! 20:18:26 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Bue 20:18:27 Was a pleasure 20:18:34 tx Janaka 20:18:53 👋 20:18:57 Thanks folks 20:19:12 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Thanks post malone 20:20:18 cya 20:21:03 Almost forgot 20:21:31 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/502 20:21:33 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Contribute to current website is welcome 20:21:47 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Need more indians 20:21:53 <3​21bob321:monero.social> With feathers 20:22:07 See link for indian ^^ 20:23:04 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Worker node 21:25:17 Up to standards he says. Smfh. 😂 21:26:48 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I still dont know what was achieved in that “meeting” 21:27:10 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe it was a decoy meeting? 21:27:31 Wrong. Fuck this guy. 21:28:06 That's current, split in halves and in dark mode? 🤔 21:28:28 Bah... 21:28:44 current design works if changes framework, graphics and add dark theme 21:28:52 no need for a whole redesign 21:28:56 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ban tor 21:29:17 Moving from Jekyll should be a must imho. 21:29:29 Nobody likes Ruby, Jekyll is from like the eighties... 21:29:48 Astro, hugo, ghost even lol, just not more Jekyll. Port current Jekyll theme to Hugo? 21:35:00 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought it was astro. Do the current contributors know how to use it? 21:35:31 no guys, every step we've made forward and agreed on as a group in our actual meetings over the past two months is out he window 21:35:35 no guys, every step we've made forward and agreed on as a group in our actual meetings over the past two months is out the window 21:35:53 this isn't even me being pissy. I'm serious. (Although I am also pissy) 21:36:01 ghost is not a static site generator, it is more like wordpress 21:36:15 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Mkdocs🚀 21:37:06 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Will there be an after action report on this meeting? 21:37:52 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Gl to the two newsletters! 21:45:28 I was being sarcastic at that point. 21:46:03 If you don't change the backend as part of your role in the community I'll be severely disappointed and invite plowsof to take over. 21:46:35 ouch 21:46:45 oh the sysadministration course that I didn't start yet lol 21:48:28 rottenwheel: I agree with you btw 21:48:42 I try to make something happen with the workgroup support. Seems like a no-brainer, yeah? 21:49:25 nope. one guy wasn't there for it. Now I'm "making stuff up" and railroading things so I can make work for myself. 21:49:59 but nah, you're right. I'm not going to be a pushover. All of the work over the past couple of months is not undone. 21:50:35 I was never even trying to railroad my design. I was trying to make it to present for the community. Community said nah. Janaka flipped also and wanted light mode. Great. We have a new direction. That's not an issue. 21:50:51 (Ever since last meeting I have also not been wasting hours working on the design the community didn't care for btw. Not trying to take advantage here). 21:51:06 But yes, pretty much all of us present at meetings have decided we should do away with jekyll 21:51:54 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Tbh why listen to one person when the rest want to change 21:52:21 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Didnt know we needed 100% of the vote 21:52:25 Given Janaka has already been funded for the CCS, the 95% most likely candidate for the backend will be Astro. That other 5% is: 21:52:27 1. Janaka disappears and we gotta figure out who will code this thing, at which point discussion can reopen. 21:52:29 2. Someone takes it upon themselves (probably with no funding) to make it in something different, presents it, and everyone agrees that it's better. 21:53:05 <3​21bob321:monero.social> ^ 21:53:12 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Still stands 21:53:16 Imma be blunt. Geonic has taken it upon himself to make sure I can't ever decide anything without challenge. I'm sure he thinks that it's a thankless job, but someone's gotta do it. Great. Good for him. 21:53:27 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Currently there is 3 admins contributing 21:53:36 I mean, I'll speak for myself and speak quite bluntly here, both ofrn and geonic can go fuck themselves for all I care. Both blocked and ignored everywhere, except the edge case when they're talking across the bridge through m-relay, can't do anything about that, or block them from participating in community, public repositories, discussions and issues. That's about the closest th 21:53:37 ey got to my attention span, but, if a single opinion will sway you away from your proposal or a brand-new site backend, which gm has been needing for years, gets vetoed, I frankly do not want to hold any hopes for the CCS, core team, or any workgroup for that matter. 21:53:39 It is a single person shitting on broad workgroup consensus. Absolute, utter bullshit, if you ask me. At that point I might as well go live in caves and just write up Revuo without giving two fucks about community 'consensus' because at the end of the day it is what lever and when luigi pulls and whatever current 3 angry ants geonic has up his ass so he's holding such "something" 21:53:41 or person accountable to *his* standards. 21:53:47 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Holy shit batman 21:54:00 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Tldr? 21:54:05 Rotten can such me 🍆 21:54:10 Call me if that's the case and I'll rent a cave for myself, spare me all the wasted time. 21:54:22 Has had be blocked for months so should stfu 21:54:29 Has no idea what ive said 21:54:46 You're generally correct. I've decided to grow a backbone again. 21:54:54 Bout go fuck myself, how about you go fuck a cactus ya fuck tool 21:54:55 ;) 21:55:15 I jest. Not about the backbone. You'll noitice in the meeting logs, towards the end, I held to the notion that we have a general path forward with regards to the new backend. 21:55:38 Everyone who was present at the meeting agreed, maintainers either don't care, or agree wholeheartedly 21:55:41 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Was there an agenda? 21:55:53 yes, no 21:55:55 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I can in and there was pager wars over dark mode 21:56:03 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Came* 21:56:09 If me merely summarizing a consensus is railroading, then geonic is delusional. 21:56:45 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Darkmode/light mode use toggle - down 21:57:03 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Meanwhile docs has triple toggle! 21:57:09 Literally every person is fine with it except the guy who insists that if he wasn't there to see it, it didn't happen. 21:57:16 bs 21:57:23 no u 21:57:29 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Hi bestie 21:57:31 plow just said there’s basically no good reason to change the backend 21:57:41 try not to be lazy and scroll up to see the chat logs 21:57:42 and he works with the website more than you do 21:57:44 plowsof, youre in trouble 21:57:49 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof whinged about i8n 21:58:08 Plowsof said the plugin is abandonware and the website is duct taped together 21:58:10 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Hence why it was decided to change to something else 21:58:28 And that he _made_ it work, and that it wasnt fun 21:58:40 I said everyone present either didn't care, or agreed a change is necessary. Plowsof was of the first category (and has a few misgivings on the current way that would be solved with a change) 21:58:54 rip plow 21:59:12 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Bluetack is better 21:59:19 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Stretches 21:59:34 so the 2 contractors get to decide what’s being worked on and how? lol 21:59:43 he also LITERALLY said that the current backend is fragile 21:59:48 Plowsof has been on board with rm -rf and start from scratch 21:59:58 last meeting there consensus had already been reached about dark mode. remember that? 22:00:18 He's even told hardenedsteel to stop upgrading the current site bcuz it's a waste of resources 22:00:23 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Was that in the last meeting minutes? 22:00:31 now you’re saying consensus had been reached about the backend 22:00:36 I’m asking where 22:00:47 so yes you are railroading 22:00:47 the backend was in the first meetinf 22:00:57 just like dark mode was 22:01:01 remember when I scrolled up to the place in the meeting and literally copy/pasted where, and replied in Matrix so others can see 22:01:01 and diego’s design was 22:01:05 and you said "I can see it" 22:01:06 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Backend was like months ago pre group 22:01:27 Hugo is i8n compatible, ffs. 22:01:29 no. can you comment on the github issue that’s been open for a year+? 22:01:30 I was never pushing my design, you doofus. It was always the intention to make it and present it to the community for consideration. 22:01:36 <3​21bob321:monero.social> This is why i created a discussion 22:01:43 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Going in circles again 22:01:46 but i dont think we agreed wholeheartedly to use the current site. We agreed that a new design is beinf contentious and the current design is good enough 22:01:52 holy shit! This literally happened. You literally said that you could see it when I copy/pasted 22:01:58 I still want to see diego's design in light mode 22:02:03 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Fakenews 22:02:15 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Make demo site!!!!!!!! 22:02:23 Nobody gives a shit about you shitty github discussion, or the issue for that matter. 22:02:48 Does rotten ever add anything to any discussion? 22:02:54 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Clearly , cause people like talkimg shit and going in circles 22:02:56 no 22:03:09 Simply don't read or listen to geonic. We'd already have a first preview in Astro if it weren't because Diego is masochist and keeps engaging with the famous community film "director", pristine "standards". 😂 22:03:36 I believe it is worse than current clips, hence it doesn't meet "standards" because dark mode is darknet. 💅 22:03:48 rotten is a fkn cheerleading bootlocker. S tha front door 22:03:50 Tell this director gnome to go fuck himself for a few months. Thanks. 22:03:53 if you don’t like erc’s issue, open a new one. but this needs to be a broader discussion than 5 people in a room 22:04:07 I disagree 22:04:27 Out of the 5ppl discussing, 1.1 of them actually contributes 22:04:30 drama? 🍿 22:04:41 Way more than 5 people in a room. The meeting issue has been live every time, it gets shared in Revuo and observer every time. 22:04:50 I admit that I was wrong when I suggested asking for opnions on reddit/town 22:04:51 I think backend should be plowsof and hardenedsteels call. If they ok it, fuck what reddit says 22:05:16 dark theme = crime was the dumbest thing I have ever read 22:05:16 especially when 2 of the 5 literally stand to gain from any work, whether it’s necessary or not 22:05:17 The hilarious thing is, before I came in and helped settle things in that meeting, this was being discussed to death for quite some time 22:05:19 The fact that you fail to be present when consensus and meetings take place doesn't entitle you to walk in here every time your dwarf ass chooses to to keep us stuck in a loop where Diego or whoever it is has to please your every demand. 22:05:42 Not only are you failing to come to meetings and swim with the general consensus reached in called for meetings, you also disrupt the dialogue in here. 22:05:42 just like you settled it during this meeting with a summary out of a hat? 22:05:44 The 1.1 im referring to of 0.55 plowsof and 0.55 hardenedsteel 22:06:05 You have the balls to call it "standards", when it's only you and your bullshit bias. 22:06:08 This guy really has an issue with short ppl 22:06:18 Fucking gnome... 22:06:20 weird metrics not gonna lie 22:06:38 That's all geonic. 🤣 22:06:57 Thats MB, dumbass 22:07:26 Both work part time 22:07:43 ah ok make more sense 22:08:08 I do not stand to benefit from switching backends 22:08:42 Hardendsteel and plowsof, afaict, are both ok with anything, as long as it works and doesn't cause major headaches, and fixes current issues 22:09:06 if we want to breakdown where I benefit and exclude me from those discussions, that can be discussed. That would be the content editing? Maybe illustration help? 22:09:14 no 22:09:31 Given I'm making the Figma and PenPot of the current design, I'm benefiting regardless by having to make that and counting that as hours 22:09:47 but the backend thing doesn't affect me one way or the other 22:09:52 Lets not go into needless discussions. 22:09:53 me and dan wanna see demo of your design in light mode 22:09:58 on your portoflio 22:10:07 Astro unless veto by hardened or plowsof 22:10:21 Syntheticbird said astro is fine too, i think 22:10:31 Cuprate uses it? 22:10:39 I completely biased, Astro is my first framework Ive ever used and loved it 22:10:42 Yes 22:10:54 Rotten is the one who had a problem with choosing astro over hugo 22:11:07 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Stick in the mud 22:11:15 Do recall I also did a deep dive into Astro, Jekyll, Zola, and Hugo. 22:11:25 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Use one that people can easily contribute and has no js 22:11:38 So idk why hes yapping his mouth now. He just wanted an opportunity to act like a shitbag. Guy hasnt contributed anything since mbll was chosen over hin 22:11:42 and what were that statistics? 22:11:49 Wooowoo Ecmascript syntax. so terrifying 22:11:54 and what were the statistics? 22:12:01 And came to the conclusion that both Astro and Hugo (and even Zola to an extent) would fit our needs. What matters the most then is the people would be making and maintaining. 22:12:03 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Written in ascii 22:12:12 monero-website --armor 22:12:19 Lets just make the website like debian.net 22:12:31 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Vintage 22:12:47 Debian.org 22:12:49 like? incorrect https certificate? 22:13:00 Astro 🧑‍🚀, Hugo 🐇, Zola 🦀 22:13:14 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Getmonero does that 22:13:26 Zola's primary benefit was being much faster than the others. Written in Rust. But it has the smallest community of the three, and so less support. Not real plugin stuff either. 22:13:28 LIAR 22:13:29 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Expired cert party in dec btw 22:13:31 But we do have Rust people here, so if something needed to be made, we could probably do it. 22:13:47 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof is anti rust 22:13:53 heck, Java got a website redesign like 2 years ago 22:14:08 <3​21bob321:monero.social> He/she/google will use WD40 on it 22:14:12 mhm. I'm not very hyped about that not gonna lie 22:14:18 Astro has easier templating, is much better documented, and has a huge community (because it's JS, and there's a million of those JS devs) 22:14:46 I installed each on my machine, made a simple website in each, and looked through community resources and plugins for each 22:14:51 nah, we are not that inclusive to accept Rust 22:14:52 It seemed to me that: 22:15:06 stick to Astro seems like the only option 22:15:07 Astro >= Hugo >>>> Zola >>>>>>>> Jekyll 22:15:16 So were using jekyll? 22:15:18 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 1. Needs to be simple to do a change 22:15:19 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 2. Translations work 22:15:21 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 3. No js 22:15:23 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 4 . Tor and i2p workable 22:15:30 Truth has been said (I unironically agree with that) 22:15:34 js4? 22:15:41 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 1. Needs to be simple to do a change 22:15:43 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 2. Translations work 22:15:45 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 3. No js 22:15:47 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 4. Tor and i2p workable 22:15:53 Astro fits perfectly 22:15:56 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Md error 22:16:31 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Now ask plowsof and hardensteel will that work with astro 22:16:47 Given this (which was presented at that meeting), coupled with the fact that the dev that would be making the is most familiar with Astro, it seemed a no brainer to all attending that Astro was the best option. 22:17:09 how to necro Weblate? 22:17:49 Ye. So why are we spending another 45mins on this 22:17:55 And that sticking with Jekyll wasn't one. What we have with it is fragile (ala Plowsof), i18n is sucks, not supported much (if at all, once again ala plowsof), isn't actively maintained as project, and can't do things like dark modes easily. 22:18:15 You know all of this. I know all of this. But when geonic goes and bitches on twitter and/or reddit, I need receipts. 22:18:18 Diego is being professional and reexplain why Astro has been chosen since geonic is complaining 22:18:26 1. Make your design in light mode - its close enough to currenr design. (just get rid of hero and circles) 22:18:27 2. .. profit? 22:18:42 I'm a big fan of the new minimalist Java website redesign 22:18:44 Screenshot from 2024-09-22 17-15-54.png 22:19:04 I post on twitter, i don't read ppls posts 22:19:05 LMFAO 22:19:11 Lmfo 22:19:15 Think of the past twenty minutes of messages as me being able to point to messages, recent and older, in the event geonic continues to derail and make a stink. Sorry you all have to sift through. 22:20:01 I dont accept apologies 22:20:18 whats an apology? 22:20:27 if you trust Java's Javascript and load the website, it looks like it took a lot of inspiration from Microsoft desing, very corporate 22:20:32 diego: post on github 22:20:38 design* 22:20:40 The backend issue isnt one for discussion. If contributors say no, its no 22:20:48 *le Oracle.* 22:20:51 I'm not your monkey 22:21:03 irc chat logs in a room with 5 ppl isn’t proof of anything 22:21:04 🐒 22:21:14 there is an active workgroup here 22:21:16 yes you are. you work for us now, remember? 22:21:26 the meeting today was posted on reddit and github 22:21:27 the people who cared to come showed up 22:21:29 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/oQcDGONhaVmJGDEEeOBMVrsE 22:21:39 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/BtufWrgedVfeKekiZiPPshWf 22:21:41 I'm not YOUR monkey boyo 22:21:43 stroll down 22:21:47 yes and we’re not in a meeting atm 22:21:55 Goated 22:22:39 infinite void 22:22:41 Diego Salazar 22:22:43 1. Make your design in light mode - its close enough to currenr design. (just get rid of hero and circles) 22:22:45 2. .. profit? 22:22:47 Y/N 22:22:49 if you think me being on CCS means that you personally get to give me direct orders that I must follow, then you can go be a bitch elsewhere 22:22:51 except footer 22:22:58 no one wants diego’s design, even diego 22:23:02 You foubbddd it 22:23:05 except ofrn 22:23:10 ok geonic cope with it 22:23:14 I want diego's design 22:23:17 Diegos design it the same shit as the current one 22:23:19 I still like my design. :) 22:23:21 Monero need a CEO 22:23:28 hire vik? 22:23:29 lol 22:23:37 Except its not spaghetti stigs with 20 outdates pages 22:23:42 none of that would have happened with a proper Human resource department 22:23:43 Stringa 22:23:44 ok but he doesn’t? or at least he said he had been swayed 22:23:55 whatever 22:24:13 I dont lije the hero, didnt like colors. Dont like circles 22:24:18 freedom has always been a problem 22:24:21 my deepest conspiracy theory is that genoic actually really cares about my well-being. He stirs this stuff to make sure I hit my hours and there's enough to do. 22:25:10 Remember he even opened a ccs nexr to yours to make sure youd have all the help you need 22:25:11 conspiracy but its only one person behind it 22:25:23 I’d hate to see you starve, yes 22:25:31 I'm nowhere close to hours on month 2 btw, since I put the design thing on pause for two weeks while we awaited this meeting. Obviously not claiming until I hit hours. 22:26:51 in the beginning of the meeting I asked what the purpose of the redesign is. your best response was that the translation plugin is broken, which is why we need to change backends, and while we’re at it why not refresh the design 22:27:00 is this correct? 22:27:32 rofl 22:27:39 ppl who work on the site should comment 22:27:39 1. The content on the site needs to be largely stripped and redone 22:28:00 Almost. The response was that people wanted to change backends for several reasons, and thought if we're going to be redoing everything in a new backend anyways, we can do the refresh. 22:28:12 plowsof then said that we’d still be stuck with weblate for translations, so a new backend doesn’t do much to address that 22:28:18 2. The backend change helps with translation 22:28:39 not according to plowsof? 22:28:49 The current site needs to be rm -rf and tl strings need to be redone 22:29:26 13:02 <@plowsof> translations , even with a new fancy end still rely on >weblate< (the thing that we are unable to keep online or gets neglected and falls out of sync with whats on site) 22:30:12 weblate is broken right now 22:30:23 speaking of SyntheticBird you get a chance to look? 22:30:31 New site would use weblate, and would have a fresh start 22:30:34 no 22:30:37 please send 22:30:43 link or screen whatever 22:30:52 ssh 22:31:25 what 22:31:28 who will fix and maintain Weblate? 22:31:30 new website hosted over ssh 22:31:45 the current _content_ does not need to be fixed 22:31:45 If anyone is eager to move this forward, why not provide the reasons we need to change backends first, preferably in a github issue, and list the different options with pros and cons for each. Too much work? 22:31:55 A lot of it is total ass 22:32:04 u said u will take a look at hosting Weblate like a month ago? 22:32:09 Needs to be rewritten and retranslated 22:32:13 test it out 22:32:36 Syn did look at it but wasnt able to get it to import iirc. Syn? 22:33:27 I received a dump of the SQL database but then I needed to know what was the major version of Weblate since major versions do not support automatic database migrations. I asked Dan about it, never received an answer to that question + I had other things to do in the grass world. 22:33:44 got it. Will have Dan respond soon. 22:33:47 Lots of work. Make it to all meetings and participate next time. Consensus was reached ages ago! 22:33:53 But basically there was probably 3 major versions 22:33:58 impossible to migrate 22:34:09 See? rotten never has anything to add 22:35:05 never 22:35:20 Diego Salazar: at this point restarting the weblate since like the only option. 22:35:33 ye 22:35:35 Migrating and redoing the content is easier than hoarding the trash and trying to make it work 22:35:49 rm -rf weblate and spin a new instance? 22:36:18 at least export translated files 22:36:26 translating garbage english is a bad idea. 22:36:41 New languag unlocked: Garbage english 22:36:46 New language unlocked: Garbage english 22:36:48 lol 22:36:56 its been unlocked for yrs 22:36:59 rotten can translate that one 22:37:10 OOF 22:37:12 cheap shot 22:37:20 whatever William Shakespeare approves 22:40:15 Siren: quick quick say you like Astro in the chat. 22:40:56 Nono, say you like jekyll /s 22:41:20 I like rust. Can we rewrite wallet2? 22:41:41 geonic obv this is monero next step 22:42:01 translate 1:1 wallet2.cpp 10k spagetthi into rust 22:42:23 rust should also be spagetthi 22:42:31 in migration we're allergic to improvements 22:43:13 Syn understands 22:43:56 it’s not monero if it’s not spaghetti 22:44:07 ofrnxmr next time you call me Syn I'll find you and make you eat your bones pieces by pieces until you have only your head and chest left. 22:44:39 Why's syn so mad 22:44:48 idk 22:44:53 idk either 22:47:48 actually can we rewrite in python instead? Fcmp’s are easier in python (source: finger on the pulse) 22:48:28 i love the source 22:49:26 ☝️ 22:52:26 All these pulses, but when do we get to do mouth to mouth resuscitation 22:52:49 I got the paddles 22:54:22 r/brandnewsentence 22:59:24 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sy……..n 22:59:58 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Pulse is getting weaker 23:13:38 He's always been like that. 😂 23:14:14 Moooods!! 23:21:45 Erm sars it does not matter what framework/lib, just make it easy for our C++ boomer devs to write posts in markdown 🙏 23:22:03 It's not that hard to code this up, we can do this. 23:46:27 Siren will take 2-3 more meetings before we can decide. When you say "we", do you mean digilol?